Which action

Gord0

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 11, 2017
Messages
623
Reaction score
523
Points
93
Location
Michigan
I'm not familiar with Rem style anything. What would you choose if you were to buy one custom action? Integral recoil lug and rail are a must. Long action magnum bolt face is a must as well. Weight isn't a concern.

 

Jud96

Active member
Joined
Oct 28, 2019
Messages
95
Reaction score
107
Points
33
Location
Michigan
I’m biased, but I’d choose a Pierce action. We have several options in the Remington footprint. We have integral recoil lugs, but we don’t have integral rails yet. Our scope rails are dual pinned and held down with 8-40 screws. They snap in place with the dowel pins and don’t move. I understand the want for an integral rail. We’re also located in Michigan so you could always stop in and check out some of our actions and rifles first hand. Thank you!
 

OSU Fisher

Active member
Joined
Feb 3, 2019
Messages
307
Reaction score
241
Points
43
Is $ a concern? I just picked up a bat vesper and bat igniter. My first bats but they are very nice. I also have 2 kelbly nanooks in the mail somewhere and should have them in the next couple days. Rumor is they are very nice.
 

Gord0

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 11, 2017
Messages
623
Reaction score
523
Points
93
Location
Michigan
Is $ a concern? I just picked up a bat vesper and bat igniter. My first bats but they are very nice. I also have 2 kelbly nanooks in the mail somewhere and should have them in the next couple days. Rumor is they are very nice.
Nope, not a concern. As of right now, this is theoretical. Until I get a bug and... Well you know how it goes.
 

Lancetkenyon

LRO Editor and Precision Rifle Specialist
Joined
Aug 29, 2017
Messages
822
Reaction score
1,585
Points
93
Location
AZ
Kelbly Prometheus would be my choice.

While I do not own one (yet), I have shot one. I do own a couple Kelbly Atlas Tacs and a Nanook, which are my favorite actions I have shot. This is a refined Atlas Tac w. Integral recoil lug and Picatinny rail milled in. Warm butter smooth. Easiest bolts I have ever felt.
 

FURMAN

LRO Rifle and Gear Review Editor
Staff member
Joined
May 27, 2015
Messages
3,610
Reaction score
3,656
Points
113
Location
Emporia Ks
I'm not familiar with Rem style anything. What would you choose if you were to buy one custom action? Integral recoil lug and rail are a must. Long action magnum bolt face is a must as well. Weight isn't a concern.
If weight is no concern terminus Zeus. If weight is a concern I would look at the Vampire or the nanook. No action that I have ever cycled runs like a Terminus. I wish Joel would make a light weight version with an integral rail.
 

mullmann

Active member
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
218
Reaction score
182
Points
43
Location
Chandler, Az
I have a Zeus and love it. However, I do not have much experience with other actions so I can’t speak to what other manufacturers have to offer or how they run.
 

matt_3479

Active member
Joined
Oct 16, 2013
Messages
494
Reaction score
243
Points
43
Location
Ontario, Canada
I don’t think you could go wrong with any of them. If you like 60 degree the terminus is hard to beat! Beautiful actions. My Zeus is one of my favourites! If 90’degree is your thing then my 2 choices would be either a kelbly Prometheus/nanook or impact 787
 

Ladd

LRO Field Editor/Precision Hand loading Specialist
Joined
Mar 17, 2019
Messages
6,208
Reaction score
7,554
Points
113
Location
Utah
My first true custom action was a Terminus Helios now called the Kratos. I loved it so much I bought the Kratos X that is opened for 4" boxes. Then a Kratos Lite/Ti an Apollo and an Apollo Lite/Ti. I've sold all but one of my factory rifles. The Kratos and Apollo do not have an integrated rail but the machining of the rail, pins and screws make it an exact fit with precision and the screws have a large head for surface area to clamp and remain clamped but I still JB Weld them on. I don't have a Zeus and my hesitation is my other barrels do not fit it.

For actions with integral rails and lugs I think BAT actions are some of the best available. I have the HR and the Vampire but neither are with barrel yet although the HR is at Defensive Edge right now. The BAT actions seam to check the boxes except for being easy on the bank account.

So many custom actions to choose from so little time.
 

Rageface1912

Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2021
Messages
38
Reaction score
10
Points
8
Kelbly Prometheus would be my choice.

While I do not own one (yet), I have shot one. I do own a couple Kelbly Atlas Tacs and a Nanook, which are my favorite actions I have shot. This is a refined Atlas Tac w. Integral recoil lug and Picatinny rail milled in. Warm butter smooth. Easiest bolts I have ever felt.
I'm glad to hear that about the nanook. I looking pretty seriously into it. Just need to decide the cartridge and the pull the trigger.
 

Gord0

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 11, 2017
Messages
623
Reaction score
523
Points
93
Location
Michigan
Looking like Bat, Terminus, and Kelbly are top of the list. Any reason you would go with one over the other?
 

matt_3479

Active member
Joined
Oct 16, 2013
Messages
494
Reaction score
243
Points
43
Location
Ontario, Canada
Looking like Bat, Terminus, and Kelbly are top of the list. Any reason you would go with one over the other?

Well with terminus being 60 degree you’ll have a heavier bolt lift but a shorter throw and a slightly faster cycle. The Terminus line of actions are well built, well machined and we’ll thought out. The threaded trigger pins are phenomenal and I love the qc barrels on the Zeus. Joel is a stand up guy, with excellent customer service.

Kelbly is a family run business with arguably the only service in the industry that might best Joel lol which is almost impossible to imagine. In all honestly these two companies offer a personal service that you just don’t see anymore and does not go without being very much appreciated and talked about throughout the entire industry. Kelbly actions are 90 degree’s. There actions are finished beautifully and are some of the smoothest I’ve ever used. There bolt lift is the lightest I’ve used as well.

I cannot comment much on bat actions minus what I’ve been told or read. With prices at some of the highest in the industry I just don’t see them used as much around me. That said they are known to be the best of the best. I’ve only really handled the VR and HR and one benchrest model (couldn’t tell you) but smooth was an understatement. The new vampire is awesome and I’ll have one in the stable eventually.

I know this doesn’t help with which one of the three but you can’t go wrong. If your going do a lightweight build the kelbly and bat offer lighter versions then the terminus. If you like 60 degree the terminus is one of the best.
 

Alex Wheeler

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 11, 2017
Messages
451
Reaction score
1,312
Points
93
Location
Dillon, Mt.
Lots of good choices. I am partial to the Bats, they handle pressure better than any I have used and I really like the ignition design. I use them in most of my LR BR builds so I have got the tuning I do to them down to where you just cant get a better ignition or faster running action. Plus they work with me, if theres something that I want changed to improve the action they usually do it. Defiance also makes a great action and the ignition design is excellent as well. The Kelbly actions have been around a long time and have done well in BR. The timing is not my preference but if you prefer a easier lift and dont mind cock on close you will prefer them. Those 3 offer and integral lug and rail.
 

Gord0

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 11, 2017
Messages
623
Reaction score
523
Points
93
Location
Michigan
Lots of good choices. I am partial to the Bats, they handle pressure better than any I have used and I really like the ignition design. I use them in most of my LR BR builds so I have got the tuning I do to them down to where you just cant get a better ignition or faster running action. Plus they work with me, if theres something that I want changed to improve the action they usually do it. Defiance also makes a great action and the ignition design is excellent as well. The Kelbly actions have been around a long time and have done well in BR. The timing is not my preference but if you prefer a easier lift and dont mind cock on close you will prefer them. Those 3 offer and integral lug and rail.
Defiance is one I'm surprised nobody brought up. I completely forgot about vock on open, or close as well. I guess I'm partial to cock on open just because that's all I've ever really run.
 

fisherman983

Member
Joined
Jul 2, 2019
Messages
62
Reaction score
30
Points
18
Lots of good choices. I am partial to the Bats, they handle pressure better than any I have used and I really like the ignition design. I use them in most of my LR BR builds so I have got the tuning I do to them down to where you just cant get a better ignition or faster running action. Plus they work with me, if theres something that I want changed to improve the action they usually do it. Defiance also makes a great action and the ignition design is excellent as well. The Kelbly actions have been around a long time and have done well in BR. The timing is not my preference but if you prefer a easier lift and dont mind cock on close you will prefer them. Those 3 offer and integral lug and rail.
I'm curious what your thoughts on the terminus line of actions are.

Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk
 

Alex Wheeler

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 11, 2017
Messages
451
Reaction score
1,312
Points
93
Location
Dillon, Mt.
I'm curious what your thoughts on the terminus line of actions are.

Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk
I just did one for Broz, I was happy with it and will use more. I did similar tuning on it that I would do to any of the better actions and was pleased with how it turned out.
 

Rageface1912

Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2021
Messages
38
Reaction score
10
Points
8
I just did one for Broz, I was happy with it and will use more. I did similar tuning on it that I would do to any of the better actions and was pleased with how it turned out.
What tuning do you do? I just got a zeus and I'm wondering what benefits there are to "tuning"
 

Ladd

LRO Field Editor/Precision Hand loading Specialist
Joined
Mar 17, 2019
Messages
6,208
Reaction score
7,554
Points
113
Location
Utah
Rail is pinned and has larger screws. But the Terminus Kratos on my new 25 PRC is as smooth of an action as I have ever ran. I just love the 3 lug 60 degree bolt too.
A great action for sure. I can recommend it without hesitation.
 

mullmann

Active member
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
218
Reaction score
182
Points
43
Location
Chandler, Az
I handled my kratos last week when it arrived to the gunsmith. The chambered Barrel arrived today and hopefully I will have the rifle back in a couple of weeks. I love the Zeus and hopefully the kratos will run just as smooth. The 60’ bolt is the way to go. I do like that the Zeus has the integral rail.
 

rpierce

Active member
Joined
Sep 18, 2015
Messages
71
Reaction score
150
Points
33
I keep a pile of Defiance ANTIX, ANTI and Tenacity on the shelf. Along with Kelbly, Pierce Engineering, and Borden. The Defiance ANTIX is a integrail rail and lug action and comes with nitride. Theyre an extremely straight action. They come with zero cock on close for triggertechs and .250+ firing pin travel.

I also have all the stocks, barrels, bottom metal, etc instock for builds. You can skip the 20 month wait on Defiance actions and buy them from me along with all the parts and take em to your gunsmith. When a customer buys all the parts for a build from me Ill knock off several hundred dollars from the total and free shipping.
 

mullmann

Active member
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
218
Reaction score
182
Points
43
Location
Chandler, Az
I also got to put my hands on an anti x and nanook. Without doing a side by side comparison they seemed very similar to one another. Very lightweight and smooth. I prefer a rail that runs the entire length of the action.

I feel like when you get into the top tier of rifle actions it really comes to down to what specific options you are looking for such as weight, rail options, bolt throw, etc…
 

dennisinaz

Active member
Joined
Dec 3, 2021
Messages
157
Reaction score
68
Points
28
I played with a Rimrock tonight that was easily the smoothest custom I've ever run
My only beef is that Jim wants $400 extra to do Chrome-moly vs stainless. I'll never own a stainless action
 

Jud96

Active member
Joined
Oct 28, 2019
Messages
95
Reaction score
107
Points
33
Location
Michigan
I played with a Rimrock tonight that was easily the smoothest custom I've ever run
My only beef is that Jim wants $400 extra to do Chrome-moly vs stainless. I'll never own a stainless action
Why no to stainless?
 

dennisinaz

Active member
Joined
Dec 3, 2021
Messages
157
Reaction score
68
Points
28
There is nothing "better" about stainless. It's weaker, tends to gall, and doesn't nitride as well. IF you were in the camp of leaving your rifle in the raw steel form, stainless would be a safer bet against corrosion.
There are still some barrel makers who won't make a light contour SS barrel; ostensibly they might blow up on a musk ox hunt. I stick with 4130 or 4140 steel actions. I have 2 Ss guns, both are factory and have significant historical value to me.
 

Alex Wheeler

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 11, 2017
Messages
451
Reaction score
1,312
Points
93
Location
Dillon, Mt.
I have had a LOT of Bordens through the shop. Jim hardens his actions more than most and I can say I have never seen one galled. Ever. If you wanted a bare SS action, it would be one of the better options

 

Forum Sponsors

Top