Trumps Idea of Arming Teachers

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What do you think of Trumps Idea of arming Teachers??? I think its the worse idea I have ever heard... Having been around the school district in my town since I started in the 1960 till now and my grandkids are from grade school to high school.. I have found only 1 school personnel I would have trusted to protect me or anyone in my family with a gun... It was our Janitor in my grade school in the early 1970's... This gentleman was a WWII Navy Veteran and even then he was an old guy but looked like a body builder... I got to deliver the milk everyday to all the class rooms so got to know him...Anyway out of the 100's of teachers and other school employees I have met over all the years I wouldn't want to trust any of them even with training to save anyone in my family... I feel a better option is to make it as hard to get into school as it is to get on an airplane... and don't staff it with the typical TSA agent types... Use former Military with specialized training... The cost would be high to do this but what are the cost to our gun rights but not doing it??? ..JMO Dave

 

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Well, we know for sure if you didn't hear it come straight from Trump's mouth, you are most likely not getting the true story. Was it Trump that said it, CNN or other fake news or a cut version or was it (new term to me) "Crisis Actors"? We only get fed what they want us to eat.

However, for what its worth. I do believe Pre-qualified ex Military or LE people should be positioned in schools until we can get parents to start parenting again.

JMO
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I know I don't watch the news not even the local news as they just parrot the national lies .. They give whole new meaning to Tabloid News... I still think there are some percent of the population that if they see it on TV or read it in the newspaper believe it must be true... I don't know that they really believe its true but it gives them enough cover to state their beliefs without having to explain them in any form that would make sense...
 

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...Anyway out of the 100's of teachers and other school employees I have met over all the years I wouldn't want to trust any of them even with training to save anyone in my family... I feel a better option is to make it as hard to get into school as it is to get on an airplane... and don't staff it with the typical TSA agent types... Use former Military with specialized training... The cost would be high to do this but what are the cost to our gun rights but not doing it??? ..JMO Dave

My mother has been a teacher for 35 years and my sister has been one for 10 years. I grew up around teachers, and have regular contact with the teachers in my children's school district. I am an Army vet and a still active 15 year veteran of a federal law enforcement agency (no, not the FBI..!!) ....and I agree with your assement whole heartedly!!

Schools need to be built with real restricted acces choke points. There needs to be 360 degree perimeter security fence. Visitors shouldn't just be buzzed into the building, they should be buzzed onto the grounds.

There should be some sort of either school resource officer or other trained security personnel to confront threats with deadly force if necessary. Parents of children that already have this type of training should be encouraged to take occasional shifts along side the permanent security personnel so that there will be a pool of properly trained and initiated volunteers to make up any shortfall in manpower that might arise. Those parents, if properly credentialed should be carrying also.

The problem is that schools are populated by liberals. Liberals don't like guns, they don't like schools that share some of the same features as prisons. They don't like having to spend the money it takes to have the gates and the training and the big bad wolf looking guys with the guns. When schools get money, they buy shit like tablets and smart boards and projectors. Those of course, after they have hired a couple more administrators to manage all the learning that isn't going on.
 

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Armed, trained teachers are OK, but no substitute for security tasked individuals. Teachers should focus on teaching. Security has to be viewed as layers. as already mentioned.
 

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I just found out, via one of the major cable news outlets, that there was an armed deputy assigned to the school in question. The Broward County Sheriff confirmed that the deputy was on the grounds outside and armed, but did not go into the school to confront the threat.

Children died because the one man who had the means, opportunity and sworn duty to stop the killer FAILED TO EVEN TRY! I don't know the department, or what training they have had, but going straight in and confronting the threat has been standard doctrine for about 10 years now. I can only assume that the deputy froze. That knowledge makes me even more sad, angry, frustrated....and ashamed.

The deputy has resigned.
 
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Yep, between the FBI, local PD and this guy, it is a shameful performance that was handled very badly. It is possible the whole thing could have been stopped. Yet the libs get a stronger toe hold for gun control. I truly think some nut cases actually want these type of tragedies just to forward their agenda.
 

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What I donÂ’t understand is why the NRA and other pro gun groups donÂ’t put this in perspective. If you take all of the mass shootings over the last ten years, add them together, you will have almost as many killed as the last 2 days on our roads. There will be over 500,000 thousand teens killed or seriously injured in a car crash over the next 12 months. In Europe where guns are banned they use trucks as a weapon of mass killings. Is this a tragedy? Yes it is. Are these families any more hurt than the 100,000s of thousands that lost children on our roads? I donÂ’t think so. Can we do more? Sure we can, if the dip chits get out of the way. If we want to make a real difference in saving lives we should focus on our roads not impinging on our constitutional rights!! All of the above doesnÂ’t even take into account how many lives have been saved by a gun being in right hands. If we are going to deprive anyone of a constitutional righ we should deny those to stupid to speak intelligently of their 1st amendment right.
 

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Yep, between the FBI, local PD and this guy, it is a shameful performance that was handled very badly. It is possible the whole thing could have been stopped. Yet the libs get a stronger toe hold for gun control. I truly think some nut cases actually want these type of tragedies just to forward their agenda.

I honestly believe this is fact. I cant believe CNN tried to push agenda with scripted questions and answers through freaking kids.
 

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I honestly believe this is fact. I cant believe CNN tried to push agenda with scripted questions and answers through freaking kids.

Yeah and it has come out that the main family (That said they lost a child) in Sandy Hook were also paid "Crisis Actors" in the FA shootings. Along with crisis actors for student. WFT!!!!! There is no trusted new anymore. They are all corrupt.


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You just can't make this stuff up. So with the entire world being fed 100% BS, and a corrupt FBI that sold out, and local PD's that are given the "Stand Down" orders. ???? Yeah, lets give up our guns.

Daid Hogg an known paid Chrisis actor and the family pictured below from both Sandy Hook and FA claiming a lost child...

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What I donÂ’t understand is why the NRA and other pro gun groups donÂ’t put this in perspective. If you take all of the mass shootings over the last ten years, add them together, you will have almost as many killed as the last 2 days on our roads. There will be over 500,000 thousand teens killed or seriously injured in a car crash over the next 12 months. In Europe where guns are banned they use trucks as a weapon of mass killings. Is this a tragedy? Yes it is. Are these families any more hurt than the 100,000s of thousands that lost children on our roads? I donÂ’t think so. Can we do more? Sure we can, if the dip chits get out of the way. If we want to make a real difference in saving lives we should focus on our roads not impinging on our constitutional rights!! All of the above doesnÂ’t even take into account how many lives have been saved by a gun being in right hands. If we are going to deprive anyone of a constitutional righ we should deny those to stupid to speak intelligently of their 1st amendment right.

Putting things in perspective, with actual facts and numbers to back those up, are arguing points that fall on deaf, liberal ears.
No one wants another school shot up.
Liberals/democrats, right now and always, need and want these crisis.
Maybe not for the death toll but for sure to politicize a shooting event and draw "legal" gun owners in a bad light,
with the eventual goal of eliminating guns in the USA.

Liberty will never and cannot be held, hand in hand with security.

I'm perfectly fine being responsible for my own security and the responsibility of Liberty.
 

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Both of the last two massacres have occurred the same week that pro gun legislation was about to be passed. The SHARE act which included the HPA was the same week as Vegas. (I think the people pulling the strings got more than they bargained for with that nutjob, hence the lack of info and poor protection of evidence, also with an incompetent investigator that led us nowhere) then this time we were about to get concealed cary reciprocity, which I believe had passed the house. Then these kids who come on CNN and you tube clips, sound just like the phonies I went to high school with,, just in it to try and extend their fifteen minutes of fame, you can hear it in their voices and choices of words, and you can see it in their body language. they are being dishonest but they are drunk on a power trip because they have the whole country listening to them, and they have full auditoriums cheering like a rock concert. I pray to god we don't let 17 year old kids start influencing our constitution. I certainly remember how full of it I was when I was in high school? Heck I was a complete moron until I became a father and finally decided to grow up and get my act together at age 29.

As far as guns at schools. Trump did not come up with this idea himself. He had a meeting at the white house with people from all walks of life to talk about possible ways to help protect our children and someone in the crowd suggested the idea, and he said maybe it could work With trained teachers like retired military and retired police who became teachers.
I'm for the idea of teachers carrying concealed. As long as they're not required, no one should force a reluctant or afraid teacher to be responsible for a gun when they either are afraid of them or just don't like them. to each their own.

My son is in 9th grade and he knows of two teachers who concealed carry, and he believes there are more who just keep it to themselves. There is also a police officer with a glock 17 who hopefully is not a coward in a life or death situation.

As for the idea that teachers can't handle themselves, wasn't there a coach in florida who used his own body to take a bullet that would have hit a student? He gave his life to save a student, you don't think he would have fought for them to the death if necessary? These cowardly mass murderers always give up at the first sign of resistance and either commit suicide of get taken out by an officer with a gun. I think having gun free zones just makes a "zone" a target like fish in a barrel for these murderers. They want a crowded place so they don't have to aim, and they want a crowd that is disarmed and helpless. I think we as a country are giving them what they want.

Am I the only one who notices that theres never been a mass shooting at Thunder Ranch, Gunsite, or Tactical response?
 

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Arm the teachers . Offer them free qualifying courses and a raise if they pass . The loss of life will drastically drop if a coward walks down the hall and starts shooting and out of every other class he
 
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Probably an FBI/CIA agent to manipulate the situation and create a story that they have contrived. For all we know, they may have planned the events.
The way to drive disarmament of the population is to build the story that the world is out of control and therefore the only way to stop it is to disarm everyone. Once we have no way to protect ourselves, then the final take over of our government is final and by the time the snowflakes realize they were duped it will be all over.
Not much different than 1930 in Germany and the rise of the Third Reich.
The Dems are the political descendants of those that voted to remain a part of the crown when we voted for our independence. They supported Hitler during WWII and blamed the Republicans for it to redirect the out lash for their actions.
So what has changed, they are more emboldened that ever and doing the same thing.
They have eliminated the lessons learned from the schools, they have populated the colleges with the socialist of the 1960's and now eliminated the free speech on campuses. The thing they fought for during the 1960's and now are using it against us today.
They want absolute control. Which they would have been well on their way had it not been for The President of the United States of America, Donald J. Trump.
God Bless him and 16 more years!

 
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