Supressor or Brake?

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Not a super sexy LR build like I see on here (that will come, in time) but I am buying a 308 to be a rang workhorse with long barrel life and am up in the air whether to put a brake on it or a supressor... I'm used to brakes on my rifles, but am intrigued by a supressor, yet apprehensive due to issue w/ POI and accuracy, especially given the shortcomings of a 308 at extended ranges. What say you?

 

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A 308 is a relatively mild recoiling rifle. I have shot them bare muzzle, braked, and suppressed. I prefer by far shooting mine suppressed. Accuracy can still be great and POI shift depends on the barrel profile, length and can that you use. For most precision rifles, it is not a lot. Thunder Beast are arguably the best in the accuracy department. However, I just started load development with a DeadAir Nomad-L on this rifle and it was ridiculously quiet. I can't wait to get back to more load development.
 

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Joe is correct. Suppressors can still be just as accurate. But yes most do shift POI. They also slightly raise the load pressure and velocity slightly. We have them both, but the suppressors are spending more time in the safe that on rifles. I hate the length, and personally I hate the feel of the recoil. Just me. But for sure a top end brake also does reduce recoil more. I like that. If you shoot at a public range, other will appreciate the suppressor. I guess it boils down to personal likes and needs. I will go with the brake.
 

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I was shooting with my cousin today, and he was shooting his 6.5 CM for the first time with a brake instead of suppressor. He loved the recoil reduction and the fact that he could spot his own hits on 35X for the first time, but his load had slowed enough that it was out of tune and not grouping well.
 

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I just started using one for the first time this year. Threw it on my 243 and I love it. I personally think the gun was A touch more accurate without but it’s a .45 gun with it on so I don’t complain. As the gents mentioned ….the length sucks. When this barrel burns up I’m going to go with an 18” barrel and will go from there. The POI doesn’t shift on mine and it gets taken on an off ALOT. It’s a TBAC Ultra 7. keep in mind this is my varmint gun. Would I want one on my deer and elk guns? …..no thanks. JMO
 

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I feel like anything on a standard bolt face usually goes well suppressed. My 7mm rem mag I shoot supressed by that could go either way. It would be either to shoot with a break. On my 30nosler the muzzle break is a no brainer.
 

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Thank you all so much for the replies and insight! Does anyone know or have personal experience with how a suppressor would specifically effect accuracy and POI of a carbon wrapped barrel (Proof, etc.)?
 

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From my experience, you need to retune the load if you are going to shoot suppressed. The gun (atleast from my experience) wont simply shoot the same load suppressed vs non supp'ed. Once you build the load with the rifle the way you intend to shoot with it yer golden. Do guns shoot as accurate suppressed as unsuppressed? I personally dont think they are as accurate with a suppressor AND there is one more thing to keep in tune but Im talking about 0.1 - 0.2 " difference. The initial pressure build up from 1st shot to 2nd + shot has different back pressure as the can loads hence why I dont think it is as accurate because you have another variable in play but there are many more that can prove me wrong im sure. is the accuracy difference great enough for your skill set (and mine) to tell the difference? For me, probably not. Only way to find out is get one and send it. Full Send ! :) I dont think you will be disappointed when everythign is said and done. When a bear shows up at my chicken coop at 2am...I dont have to look for my ear protection while stumbling about in my glasses and boxers. When Im hunting coyotes over calves with thermal equipment and suppressed....double dogs are not uncommon. They are a great tool.
 

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I may have missed it, but what does range workhorse mean to you? Dispatching varmints inside 400? Ringing steel at 800+?

I move a QD mounted suppressor among four rifles, including a .308, use a direct thread on my .338s, and do not see a POI shift due to removal and reinstallation on either. Or if there is, it occurs at a magnitude significantly smaller than typical environmental effects to the point that I can’t quantify it. I developed all my loads to run suppressed, and do not shoot unsuppressed, so no data on POI shift in that scenario. The recoil impulse is more exaggerated, like a long shove rather than a quick punch in the shoulder pocket. For me, it requires an extra stable setup and solid, solid fundamentals off the bench. That said, I can usually watch impacts on steel at 200 through the scope with the .338, and all the lighter calibers are easier by comparison. To me, the difference between a suppressor and a brake on the .308 is negligible in terms of recoil.

Accuracy has not suffered IMO. .308 and .338 are consistently around half MOA. My 6mm Creed runs closer to a quarter minute. Other units are semi-auto, and more for fun and entertainment than absolute accuracy, but still no slouch in the accuracy department either.

No comments on a CF barrel, all steel for me. The more I shoot suppressed, the less I enjoy shooting unsuppressed, but my rifles are range toys. I get where hunting/balance/weight/length/first shot/cold bore/shot stability can make it a less pleasurable experience real fast.
 

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From my experience, you need to retune the load if you are going to shoot suppressed. The gun (atleast from my experience) wont simply shoot the same load suppressed vs non supp'ed. Once you build the load with the rifle the way you intend to shoot with it yer golden. Do guns shoot as accurate suppressed as unsuppressed? I personally dont think they are as accurate with a suppressor AND there is one more thing to keep in tune but Im talking about 0.1 - 0.2 " difference. The initial pressure build up from 1st shot to 2nd + shot has different back pressure as the can loads hence why I dont think it is as accurate because you have another variable in play but there are many more that can prove me wrong im sure. is the accuracy difference great enough for your skill set (and mine) to tell the difference? For me, probably not. Only way to find out is get one and send it. Full Send ! :) I dont think you will be disappointed when everythign is said and done. When a bear shows up at my chicken coop at 2am...I dont have to look for my ear protection while stumbling about in my glasses and boxers. When Im hunting coyotes over calves with thermal equipment and suppressed....double dogs are not uncommon. They are a great tool.
I'm still new to the long range game, and started during the ammo/component shortage, so I'm not reloading (yet) and am using match/factory ammo. So I guess I'd have to learn the POI difference vs can on/off
 

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I may have missed it, but what does range workhorse mean to you? Dispatching varmints inside 400? Ringing steel at 800+?

I move a QD mounted suppressor among four rifles, including a .308, use a direct thread on my .338s, and do not see a POI shift due to removal and reinstallation on either. Or if there is, it occurs at a magnitude significantly smaller than typical environmental effects to the point that I can’t quantify it. I developed all my loads to run suppressed, and do not shoot unsuppressed, so no data on POI shift in that scenario. The recoil impulse is more exaggerated, like a long shove rather than a quick punch in the shoulder pocket. For me, it requires an extra stable setup and solid, solid fundamentals off the bench. That said, I can usually watch impacts on steel at 200 through the scope with the .338, and all the lighter calibers are easier by comparison. To me, the difference between a suppressor and a brake on the .308 is negligible in terms of recoil.

Accuracy has not suffered IMO. .308 and .338 are consistently around half MOA. My 6mm Creed runs closer to a quarter minute. Other units are semi-auto, and more for fun and entertainment than absolute accuracy, but still no slouch in the accuracy department either.

No comments on a CF barrel, all steel for me. The more I shoot suppressed, the less I enjoy shooting unsuppressed, but my rifles are range toys. I get where hunting/balance/weight/length/first shot/cold bore/shot stability can make it a less pleasurable experience real fast.
To me I just want to get a rifle that has max barrel life as I keep learning the finer points of LR shooting, currently have a 6.5CM, .223, and a 300WM, all with varying round counts, so wanting to get another factory rifle before starting to compile components for my first custom gun. Will definitely hunt with it, but will spend quite a bit of time behind it at the range (out to 1200yds) working on fundamentals etc.
 

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To me I just want to get a rifle that has max barrel life as I keep learning the finer points of LR shooting, currently have a 6.5CM, .223, and a 300WM, all with varying round counts, so wanting to get another factory rifle before starting to compile components for my first custom gun. Will definitely hunt with it, but will spend quite a bit of time behind it at the range (out to 1200yds) working on fundamentals etc.
Your 6.5 CM will be better for training out to 1200 yards than a .308 Win. Yes, a .308 will have better barrel life, but it starts to go transonic around 800 yards depending on your rifle, bullet combination and environmentals. So that last 400 yards could get really difficult. Not that right setup couldn't get to 1200 yards, but it is less than ideal.
 

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Thank you all so much for the replies and insight! Does anyone know or have personal experience with how a suppressor would specifically effect accuracy and POI of a carbon wrapped barrel (Proof, etc.)?
I think that will depend on how long of barrel you go with and how heavy of can. A 26" barrel with an 18 oz can is going to have a lot of POI shift. An 18" barrel with a 9 oz can likely will not.
 

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All of my rifles used to be braked.
Now, most of them are suppressed.
Everything I have built in the last 3 years is built to only be shot suppressed.

I had a few that went from braked to suppressed, and I did not need to tweak the load at all. A couple I had to very slightly fine tune. All I had to rezero however.

I only have 3 rifles now that are shot with a brake. 7RM (because of #3b contour), 28 Nosler and .300RUM because I want the recoil reduction.

Zero issues with running a can on a CF barrel. In fact, most of mine are CF barrels.
 

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Thank you all so much for the replies and insight! Does anyone know or have personal experience with how a suppressor would specifically effect accuracy and POI of a carbon wrapped barrel (Proof, etc.)?

Seems to work pretty well on mine and the suppressor isn’t what would be considered a precision can (Silencerco Harvester).

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I run suppressors on my hunting rifles (6.5 PRC and .243) and a brake on my 6.5 CM target gun. I try to do all load development and/or zeroing as I expect to shoot the rifle for the purpose of consistency. A good suppressor will be repeatable so you shouldn’t have to worry much about POI shift just from taking the can off and on. I currently have the SiCo harvester for my PRC and a Dead Air Sandman S on my .243, both of which I take on and off when I bring the guns out and never have any POI shift. I don’t shoot either of them unsuppressed so I don’t care about POI shift when going from suppressed to unsuppressed.
 
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I've got a bunch of cans that I run on various different rifles. I don't change the load when I swap. I just re-zero. I don't notice any change in accuracy only a POI shift.

I used a can at last weekend's NRL Hunter match on my 65 Creed. I'm going back to a brake. I just can't spot my shots as well with the suppressor. That's become very important to my shooting and hunting.

Pick what you want and go with it. Accuracy won't be different enough to make a difference.
 

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I run suppressors on my hunting rifles (6.5 PRC and .243) and a brake on my 6.5 CM target gun. I try to do all load development and/or zeroing as I expect to shoot the rifle for the purpose of consistency. A good suppressor will be repeatable so you shouldn’t have to worry much about POI shift just from taking the can off and on. I currently have the SiCo harvester for my PRC and a Dead Air Sandman S on my .243, both of which I take on and off when I bring the guns out and never have any POI shift. I don’t shoot either of them unsuppressed so I don’t care about POI shift when going from suppressed to unsuppressed.
I have a Rem 700 6.5 Creedmoor, Proof Barrel, Dead Air Sandman-S. I agree with all that. I did load development with the can on and always shoot with it on. So again, as to POI shift can on vs can off, I couldn't tell you. Why buy it and not use it.
I will agree that to take the can off and throw it on my 300 Win, move it to the AR and back to the CM there is no POI shift and has zero effect on accuracy. After following Ryan Furmans ladder test and load development it shoots 1/2 MOA consistently

 

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