Preferred chronograph??

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Wondering what everyone is using that ACTUALLY WORKS reliably? Also if there’s anything new out there and better than a labradar or magnetospeed?

Im getting very frustrated with my labradar and am considering getting a V3 magneto. Id prefer not to have something hanging off the barrel but oh well.

Any input?

(Just got back from the range, not one shot picked up with labradar. Ive tried the external triggers, different tripods, settings, location of the unit in relation to the muzzle, etc…)

Thanks for any help

 

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I don't think anything is as good as a labradar but they can be cantankerous. The magneto speed is not something I would use during load development as it is no different than hanging a tuner on the end of your barrel. If it is not triggering for you you may try something like this
 

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I just used the MV3 for the first time this weekend. For a guy new to all things chrono, I was super happy with how quick and easy it was for me to use. Picked up EVERY single shot.

I did attach mine to my barrel. I had just finished up my testing and shoot some extra rounds that I loaded just to get velocity data. However, I have bought all the components to make this very simple jig to attach to my rifle. If you have a pic rail for your bipod, then this will work. It will not change POI with this setup. Check out the link below for all info on the setup.

 

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Well about a hundred years ago, I bought a Shooting Chrony Beta Master. It seemed to work OK, and needed to be tripod mounted.
Required making the shooting line cold, in order to set up / aim / etc.
Accuracy came into question - big time - when testing .458 Socom loads expected to run 2100-2200fps, suddenly reading 7000+fps.
Back to Cabelas to get my money back. About 125-130 bucks at the time.
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Wanting Accuracy, I bought a Oehler 35P. About 600+ bucks. Delivers two velocity reads for each round fired - dual start / stop screen reads. Printer paper gives a hard copy of the dual velocity reads, with ES-SD. Battery is 9v and a PIA to change - dies in cold weather.
Setup is a headache requiring multiple trips from bench to Oehler to elevate, level, and aim.
Great accuracy - but setup, takedown, and storage is Pain..
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LabRadar. Still $$$. Still frustrating for setup.
I called LabRadar from the range, and walked through issues with setup and muzzle alignment.
Have not missed a single shot since. Call LabRadar CS 316-866-2525. You will appreciate their help.
 

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I think the primary question…..is what issues are you having with your lab radar?
 

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Do not waste your money on a optical chronograph. They are junk. Save your money.
 

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I have had great luck with my Labradar. Even suppressed, it rarely misses a shot. And no external trigger.
 

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I have owned two Lab Radars. They are not all created equal. Some are hit or miss at best. The one I have now is about 80% for reading shots. I also have the Magneto Speed V3. It never misses a shot but if you want velocity reading when doing load work up I suggest you get one of the off barrel mounts. Or just use it to get average velocity after load development. V3 is more compact and you can change targets without having to reset it. LR is nice when it works but as stated they can be fussy. These are the only two units I would consider to date.
 

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One thing that is nice with the LR is that you can set it and forget it. I’ll end up shooting 50 rounds thru it, just making sure I remember to arm it after a break. I’ve compared two LR’s side by side, and both were within 5 fps of each other (usually around 2) when running about 10 different rifles and ammo thru them. I’ve also compared the readings with a magneto, and I found them to be very close.

I’ve been fortunate that when truing out at distance, my LR speeds have been consistent with my actual.
 

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Thanks everyone, yea i still own an old caldwell optical chrony as well as a magneto sporter…. I would really like the labradar to work reliably…. Last night i tried all different placements, offset distances, behind muzzle, forward of muzzle…. I set it on a different bench so it was stable on its own. Ive tried angling it more up, more down, left and right of the target, and obviously centered.

It ALWAYS triggers on its own without the jkl trigger, but comes up with a projectile acquisition error…. And last night it had some error about the radar channel/frequency not working. I feel like something died inside at this point. It was never perfect but now its terrible. Iam going to try for a warranty.

If they send me a better unit i would consider keeping it and giving another chance, maybe try a quad pod? Do you quad pod owners think it helps tremendously?
 

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I have had great luck with my Labradar. Even suppressed, it rarely misses a shot. And no external trigger.

I use a piet trigger with my Labradar and unless I forget to arm it or attach the trigger it never and I mean never misses shot. I shoot 99.9% suppressed also.

OP what power source are you using for your Labradar? I use a 20,000mAh power bank and it lasts probably 20 hours of range time before needing a recharge. Low battery power will cause issues with the LR as well.

Even with its idiosyncrasies I’d rather have it than a shoot through or Magnetospeed.


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I use a piet trigger with my Labradar and unless I forget to arm it or attach the trigger it never and I mean never misses shot. I shoot 99.9% suppressed also.

OP what power source are you using for your Labradar? I use a 20,000mAh power bank and it lasts probably 20 hours of range time before needing a recharge. Low battery power will cause issues with the LR as well.

Even with its idiosyncrasies I’d rather have it than a shoot through or Magnetospeed.


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Its a CAT 10,000 mAh, I think ive had to charge it once maybe twice this year and Ive used it a lot.
 

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I have owned the all variety of Cony's , the Oehler, and about 3 other versions in between. Also have a Magneto Speed V3. The opticals were just too much trouble to set up and missed shots if things were not aligned perfectly or lighting was not ideal. The V3 is good but still some trouble to attach and I do not like it hanging off the barrel. I bought the Labrador and never looked back. The key for me to going from a 80% velocity record level to about a 98% record level was buying a little after market sight. It attaches to the top of the unit and looks like a rear peep sight. It made a huge difference. I have heard others have trouble with the Labrador but I have been very fortunate in that mine has been great. Buy the Labrador, buy a hard case for it (it is not a unit that will take a lot of abuse) and buy a power pack so you are not feeding it batteries -- you will be happy and you will not spend your time fighting Chrony setup, lighting or POI impact issues with the V3.
 

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Waiting for a response from LR, its still under a year since date of purchase, so still under warranty. I do have the soft padded case for it, and i generally take very good care with my equipment and tools, stuff can last a lifetime if you treat it well.
Im a facility manager/tech/hvac/electrician, im very tempted to take the thing apart and see what it looks like inside but don’t want to void the warranty lol. Id really like to see the quality of the solder joints and what not inside.

I thought all my crony troubles would go away with this, i see tons of videos of people doing load development and they have the labradar off to the side, away from the muzzle, and picking up shots no problem…. Im really hoping i got a lemon, i want to believe in it.
 

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With all the finicky parts of a LR, I think it's a no brainer to buy the Magneto Speed. It's cheaper. It doesn't miss shots. You don't run the high risk of getting a lemon. You don't have to worry about what power bank you're running. You don't have to worry about what stand or tripod its on. Don't have to worry about how it's positioned. The only negative anyone can come up with is that it attaches to the barrel. But above I've already linked a thread to a cheap ($100 or less -mine was less) to an off barrel mount. The only argument with being barrel mounted is gone. I can get all the data now without it effecting POI. That's the biggest benefit that I'm aware of with going with LR.

Until there is another competitor to LR that deals with LR's short comings, I will continue to recommend the MS3.
 

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With all the finicky parts of a LR, I think it's a no brainer to buy the Magneto Speed. It's cheaper. It doesn't miss shots. You don't run the high risk of getting a lemon. You don't have to worry about what power bank you're running. You don't have to worry about what stand or tripod its on. Don't have to worry about how it's positioned. The only negative anyone can come up with is that it attaches to the barrel. But above I've already linked a thread to a cheap ($100 or less -mine was less) to an off barrel mount. The only argument with being barrel mounted is gone. I can get all the data now without it effecting POI. That's the biggest benefit that I'm aware of with going with LR.

Until there is another competitor to LR that deals with LR's short comings, I will continue to recommend the MS3.
I want to switch to this setup, the only thing holding me back is that a lot of my rifles only have swivel studs still, and my custom has a magnus stock which only has enough pic rail for a bipod, dont really want to give up the bipod to get velocity readings, but also you gotta pick and choose and not have everything perfect i guess
 

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I want to switch to this setup, the only thing holding me back is that a lot of my rifles only have swivel studs still, and my custom has a magnus stock which only has enough pic rail for a bipod, dont really want to give up the bipod to get velocity readings, but also you gotta pick and choose and not have everything perfect i guess
Do load development by the target only. Don’t need velocity data. Once you have found you POI node for multiple charge weights, then validate velocity with a MS or LR.
 

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I want to switch to this setup, the only thing holding me back is that a lot of my rifles only have swivel studs still, and my custom has a magnus stock which only has enough pic rail for a bipod, dont really want to give up the bipod to get velocity readings, but also you gotta pick and choose and not have everything perfect i gue
I see the hesitation with a lot of your rifles having swivel studs. Have you considered -or open to installing pic rails instead? It's a lot to change at once. Especially if you have a lot of rifles. They make pic rails with sling studs. So you wouldn't have to change sling attachments too.

I don't want to sway you at all. Just brainstorming with you a bit. But for those that may be reading this and haven't bought a chrono yet. They would still be $ ahead if they did have to switch some the the hardware on their rifles, as opposed to rolling the dice with a more expensive LR.
 

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I have owned the all variety of Cony's , the Oehler, and about 3 other versions in between. Also have a Magneto Speed V3. The opticals were just too much trouble to set up and missed shots if things were not aligned perfectly or lighting was not ideal. The V3 is good but still some trouble to attach and I do not like it hanging off the barrel. I bought the Labrador and never looked back. The key for me to going from a 80% velocity record level to about a 98% record level was buying a little after market sight. It attaches to the top of the unit and looks like a rear peep sight. It made a huge difference. I have heard others have trouble with the Labrador but I have been very fortunate in that mine has been great. Buy the Labrador, buy a hard case for it (it is not a unit that will take a lot of abuse) and buy a power pack so you are not feeding it batteries -- you will be happy and you will not spend your time fighting Chrony setup, lighting or POI impact issues with the V3.
My experience with my LR was exactly the same. Went from good to great with the sight. I own both the magnetospeed and the LR and the magnetospeed never leaves the range bag, just there as a backup.
 

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Anyone have any experience with the Bullet seeker mach4. I've seen a couple of videos and it seems to work. Sounds like there was a subsonic version for air rifles that was proven. Seems like being off barrel mounted would be great if it works
 

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I have the V3 and only use it when load development is complete or when I suspect something is off and I need to confirm my velocity is still where it’s supposed to be. During load development I go by what the target tells me and nothing else. I simply don’t trust myself enough to not let velocity influence my load development. V3 has never failed a shot and can be used with a suppressor.
That said, if I had the LR instead of the V3 I would probably use it just the same. But I only have experience with the V3 (and it has been excellent).
 

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I still have the legacy Oehler with printer, bought a Labradar a couple of years back.

While doing load work, a fatal error popped up.
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I did all kinds of heroics, you name I tried to no avail. When I contacted Labradar the first thing asked was what battery I was using. Send them the picture, they responded that it was ok.

I asked them what's the issue with any other batteries. Apparently, Labradar responds to others that the 5V input battery is critical. If that's their canned answer, their input voltage circuit is poorly designed. Every equipment that I know of in my previous life had input voltage protection circuit. Even a cheap Chinese zener diode circuit will clamp the incoming.

They gave me a RMA, which I have not used.

To continue my load work, I ran over to Cabelas and bought a V3. So far I am very happy with it. I may sell the Labradar when I get it fixed
 

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Anyone have any experience with the Bullet seeker mach4. I've seen a couple of videos and it seems to work. Sounds like there was a subsonic version for air rifles that was proven. Seems like being off barrel mounted would be great if it works

I have an AndiScan which is a mini LR. Same functionality but in a tiny form factor. It doesn't use an app which I like. It has a wifi connection so you can connect direct with a browser but I never use it.

You can move it from rifle to rifle and it will read no matter the direction you're shooting. There's no lining up of the Labradar. I made an adapter so it'll connect to my arca rail.

I have a Bulletseeker due to be delivered this week. I'm not sure if I'll like using an app or not.

I sold my Labradar the day I got the AndiScan. I kept my Magnetospeed. I also have an Oehler 89. So, I have an affinity for chronographs. :rolleyes:
 

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When I am working with a new rifle or working up a new load I take extra rounds so at the end I can check the velocity of the load or loads I like. I use a magneto sporter and put it on the rifle at the end in case it effects the how the rifle shoots.

The only time it missed a shot was human error when I put the wrong spacer on it when I switched it from a sporter barrel over to a suppressor.
 

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I bought a Magnetospeed about 5-6 years ago after watching one of the older shoot thru with hoops give trouble.

We’ve not had a lick of trouble out our ours.

Maybe I’m Doing something wrong but these were shots taken with it attached.
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I have an AndiScan which is a mini LR. Same functionality but in a tiny form factor. It doesn't use an app which I like. It has a wifi connection so you can connect direct with a browser but I never use it.

You can move it from rifle to rifle and it will read no matter the direction you're shooting. There's no lining up of the Labradar. I made an adapter so it'll connect to my arca rail.

I have a Bulletseeker due to be delivered this week. I'm not sure if I'll like using an app or not.

I sold my Labradar the day I got the AndiScan. I kept my Magnetospeed. I also have an Oehler 89. So, I have an affinity for chronographs. :rolleyes:
Pretty wild on the AndiScan. First I've heard of it. I'd still prefer not to have that mounted to the rifle but doesn't appear a tripod mount is an issue. I don't think my Ultralight Arms 300 WM would take too kindly to it mounted to it, lol. It doesn't appear to provide downrange velocity results enabling back calculated BCs like the LabRadar though, or at least that's not clear from the information on the website, which has clearly been developed by a research expert, not a marketing guy. Do you happen to have any feedback on its downrange performance, if it in fact does take those readings?
 
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I have an AndiScan which is a mini LR. Same functionality but in a tiny form factor. It doesn't use an app which I like. It has a wifi connection so you can connect direct with a browser but I never use it.

You can move it from rifle to rifle and it will read no matter the direction you're shooting. There's no lining up of the Labradar. I made an adapter so it'll connect to my arca rail.

I have a Bulletseeker due to be delivered this week. I'm not sure if I'll like using an app or not.

I sold my Labradar the day I got the AndiScan. I kept my Magnetospeed. I also have an Oehler 89. So, I have an affinity for chronographs. :rolleyes:

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the bulletseeker. I have the v3 and have had excellent results with it but always interested in the next best thing. The Labradar sounds good in principle but just to many stories of problems.
 

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Buford Boone, who helped develop the Oehler 89, has been testing the BS next to the Oehler. None of the testing he's shown me has been off by more than 3 fps compared to the Oehler. That's outstanding.

 

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