LEO with accidental discharge resulting in GSW to right thigh/knee--reminder...

jmden

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 20, 2013
Messages
1,395
Reaction score
65
Points
48
Location
Washington State
Happened to be talking to the rangemaster at my local range yesterday when a LEO burst in the door to ask the rangemaster to open the side gate so EMS could get back to another officer that had had an accidental discharge resulting in a self-inflicted GSW to his right thigh/knee area. I asked how he was doing and where and what kind of wound it was and offered that I was a firefighter/EMT if he'd like me to see the officer that was shot. 'Yes', was the answer, so left my guns with the rangemaster, grabbed my medical kit from my rig and we drove back to the officer that suffered the injury.

As it turned out, it appeared to be a discharge from the holster (some of you probably already know where this is going...), or from a partial draw or in act of re-holstering. It was a .40SW FMJ target round. I asked, thinking it was a target bullet, due to the look of the wound as I would've expected more damage with a hollow point.

The officer had about a 6" long by 1/2" deep open 'groove' in the middle of the thigh that went directionally down from a holster area towards the ground (shot from a standing position) and then what appeared to be a small nick in his kneecap. It appeared to be, in terms of what could of been possible, a fairly minor injury. There was no bleeding to speak of, the other officers had already postioned, but not tightened a tourniquet above the injury. My concern turned to the unlikely, but potential unseen bleeding and so my attention turned to getting vital signs and not getting too focused on an injury that appeared to not be life threatening. Taking a few minutes to take in the big picture before treating further can be important, on occasion. EMS was soon there and he was loaded in the ambulance on his way to meet the paramedics in their ambulance who were en route. The officer that drove me to the injured officer, drove me back out front and I realized the paramedics were guys I work with so I checked in with them before they left. The injured officer was doing quite well with stable vitals and he was tolerating the situation alright, thankfully. As it turned out a doc friend of mine at the hospital said later that x-rays showed his kneecap was shattered and the officer needed surgery--bummer--and not at all what the medics or I suspected given what appeared to be an intact kneecap (patella) and what appeared to be just a nick from the bullet with no obvious evidence the bullet had traveled under the skin. So, this officer will have some serious down time and hopefully will recover fully.

I did not ask exactly what occurred, but I did noticed nearly immediately that he was using a SERPA Blackhawk holster (I own two of them...) which have that great retention system where your trigger finger only has to lightly press a button that then releases the weapon from the holster. As you draw, your trigger finger should come naturally into the trigger finger safety position, but there are a number of recorded instances where folks fingers have gone right to the triggers, in the heat of the moment, and had an accidental discharge which have resulted in some pretty significant injuries. I think that could happen with any holster, but many 'experts' argue for and against that SERPA Blackhawk holster, so...but, they have been banned at my range for comps, after much arguing back and forth.

I mentioned this unfortunate incident to a buddy of mine who I would characterize as a expert in pistols and pistol competitions and he reminded me that this kind of accidental discharge can occur during re-holstering as well if you don't get that trigger finger off the trigger and back in the safety position in time--finger on trigger and outside of holster hits trigger finger as you go to re-holster. OUCH... I felt kind of foolish when he mentioned that because I hadn't even thought of that being a potential cause of the officer's injury.

So, the point of this long, boring dissertation is just a reminder to be extra careful out there.

 

Broz

LRO Owner~Editor~Long Range Hunting Specilist
Joined
Apr 17, 2013
Messages
14,683
Reaction score
10,376
Points
113
Location
Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT.
Good you were there and could help Jon. Thanks for the reminder. I carry daily these days and chose a Kimber Covert Compact. The trigger is short and crisp, safety short and easily flipped too. I prefer this over the long pulls of many handguns. I have a real hard,... REAL HARD ! time carrying with a loaded chamber, hammer back and safety on. So I have decided I wish to carry safety off chamber empty. I practice drawing and chambering the round quickly. It takes almost no time at all and with practice can be one smooth motion on the way up. Many will argue , but I feel it is best for me. I think in reality the best chances I probably have of being shot would be self inflicted during fast draw practice with a chambered round, in the gun being drawn.

Jeff
 

Wile E Coyote

Member
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
300
Reaction score
0
Points
16
Location
Catskill Mountains
Negligent "send" from my phone.

Ironically in the "when things go wrong' category.
 
Last edited:

jmden

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 20, 2013
Messages
1,395
Reaction score
65
Points
48
Location
Washington State
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how I want to carry my 'woods gun' that has a safety and hammer. I really don't like the idea of one in the chamber, but with only 7 down, having another in the chamber is tempting. I've got a Blade-Tech holster for it that has the thumb strap retention, so am considering carrying it with safety off, hammer down and one in the chamber with that thumbstrap engaged. Trying to find that compromise between safety and readiness...
 

dieseldoc

Member
Joined
Nov 12, 2013
Messages
76
Reaction score
0
Points
6
Location
california
My vote is Safety first.

We had the same thing happen at our local range when a state officer shot his self in the foot when pulling out gun.
Having hammer down one in the tube , with safety off :mad:is a bad idea, as if one could fall have a discharge.

Charlie
 

jmden

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 20, 2013
Messages
1,395
Reaction score
65
Points
48
Location
Washington State
My vote is Safety first.

We had the same thing happen at our local range when a state officer shot his self in the foot when pulling out gun.
Having hammer down one in the tube , with safety off :mad:is a bad idea, as if one could fall have a discharge.

Charlie

You're right. This thing has a 'gorilla safety' that's not easy to manipulate quickly, so all things considered, it's probably best to to carry on an empty chamber.
 

Broz

LRO Owner~Editor~Long Range Hunting Specilist
Joined
Apr 17, 2013
Messages
14,683
Reaction score
10,376
Points
113
Location
Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT.
I am using a outside belt line holster. but either way you will probably have a shirt over it for day to day carry. So both hands go there to draw. My left hand raises my shirt while my right hand draws. Then my left hand goes straight to the slide and by the time the handgun is up I have worked the slide. I don't use the safety, and by the time the gun is up there is a chambered round, hammer cocked, hot and ready as I zero in on front sight.

Jeff
 

MontanaMarine

Active member
Joined
Jun 2, 2013
Messages
401
Reaction score
25
Points
28
Location
Canyon Ferry, MT
I carry a staplegun (Glock). Serpa holster around home and outdoors. An IWB in town.

I carry the Glock with a hot chamber. The long deliberate trigger gives me comfort in the safety of it. I've also trained well past the point of muscle memory to draw with a straight trigger finger, so the Serpa release is really natural to me.

There was an incident I read about a while back involving an AD with a Glock and I believe a Serpa holster, but it could have been most any holster, and striker pistol without a manual safety. The shooter was re-holstering. The drawstring tensioner ball on his jacket was at the side of the holster. On holstering the ball found its way into the trigger guard, and when the pistol was pushed into the holster the ball was forced against the trigger and fired the weapon.
 

BigBuck

New member
Joined
Feb 7, 2014
Messages
337
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Location
South
Jmden . I use the same rigg as the officer . I carry the 40 SW . with the same style holster. Thanks for the reminder . I like Broz choose not to keep a round in the chamber , reason being is I have 3 kids from 2 ,4 and 7 . they stand right under me and tug on my pants pocket. I don't like the Smith with no safety and even if It had one I would still hesitate to chamber a round due to my little ones. Just another scenario that could turn tragic.
 

bruce_ventura

Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2015
Messages
74
Reaction score
1
Points
8
Location
Ventura CA
I don't carry daily, but when I do, I carry a Glock in a simple leather holster, with a chambered round. That's the way I was trained so my muscle memory is that way. I spent several months getting trained, so I'm reluctant to change any part of it. I can draw and operate the gun one handed with either hand. The simplicity of this rig is compelling.
Naturally, I am very careful when l holster the gun, which is usually only once at the beginning of the day.
 

Ridgerunner665

New member
Joined
Aug 8, 2014
Messages
235
Reaction score
33
Points
0
Location
Tennessee
I've carried everyday for about 15 years now...

Started with a Beretta 92, then a 1911, and now a Glock 36.

Always loaded, always in a QUALITY leather holster, on a good leather belt.

Holsters have as much to do with negligent discharges as keeping your finger off the trigger.

A proper holster and following basic safety rules (be mindful of the trigger at all times) should keep you safe.... But nothing is completely safe, nothing.

I feel like if I'm gonna need it.. I'm gonna need it quick.

Believe it or not, Glocks and Springfield XD's are as safe as they come, just make sure nothing grabs the trigger when you reholster... Not unlike a double action revolver.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Nov 13, 2013
Messages
168
Reaction score
9
Points
18
Location
Texas
Big fan of the beretta 92/m9 series for the saftey,decocker. That and im just partial to handguns with metal frames.

 

Forum Sponsors

Top