Building a Custom Rifle Series by Ryan Furman

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Things I would like to see in this if possible-
Bedding (contouring the pillars, and then glass bedding),
Button rifling vs Cut rifling pros and cons,
Which action length ie- Is there any downfall to running a short fat cartridge like a 6.5PRC in a long action,
Stock finish selection (I've seen gorgeous hydro dipped stocks but heard the finish wears off quickly?)

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Things I would like to see in this if possible-
Bedding (contouring the pillars, and then glass bedding),
Button rifling vs Cut rifling pros and cons,
Which action length ie- Is there any downfall to running a short fat cartridge like a 6.5PRC in a long action,
Stock finish selection (I've seen gorgeous hydro dipped stocks but heard the finish wears off quickly?)

Thank you,
Jason
Thank you! I will work on these through the series. Actions in general are on the agenda. Stocks are on the agenda I will try to remember to discuss finishes. I will create a video of the next stock I bed. I will be doing it from a typical end user standpoint. It will be something anyone with some mechanical aptitude can complete.
 

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I would like a video covering barrel contours. I spoke with a gentleman at Bartlien barrels, and stated it was a matter of balance. I read on another long range hunting forum that lite palma barrels were great for mountain gun builds. When I started looking at specs on barrel manufacturer's websites I found the weight of a lite palma, Remington sendero, and a couple others to be similar.

Also, if there is a best all around barrel inlet to order from a stock builder to fit a "family" of barrel contours if a guy wants to experiment.
 

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Defiance is 20 weeks out on actions and 4 weeks added for nitride.
lone peak fusion ti is 6-9 weeks but they are $400 more than a ruckus at a comparable weight.
Any other medium length actions you guys recommend?
Altus had a prefit proof 24” 6.5 prc I was eyeing at $800 for ruckus. I’m just not sure I want to wait 24 weeks for their action.

Great video, you guys inspired me to just build myself and save the $1500 from a gunsmith!
 

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@rfurman24, Where can I find the barrel vise you mentioned in the video? The one with a hinge on one side and bolt(s) on the other.
 

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Defiance is 20 weeks out on actions and 4 weeks added for nitride.
lone peak fusion ti is 6-9 weeks but they are $400 more than a ruckus at a comparable weight.
Any other medium length actions you guys recommend?
Altus had a prefit proof 24” 6.5 prc I was eyeing at $800 for ruckus. I’m just not sure I want to wait 24 weeks for their action.

Great video, you guys inspired me to just build myself and save the $1500 from a gunsmith!

Not a lot of true medium actions available and they limit your stock selections.
 

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I appreciate the excellent content and conversation.

When you discuss actions, can you please discuss traditional steel alternative actions? Ti actions, Seekins aluminum action and (the one I’m most interested in) Bat Machine’s Vampire action.

Also, carbon barrels and how they stack up. Bartlein, Proof, Carbon 6, Benchmark, Hell’s Canyon, and CA?

Much appreciated.
 
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Ryan great info.
for a newbie that has never attempted a build
can you please respond with the specific parts for the attached video build.
searching different websites can be very confusing for someone new.
Thank You
 

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This is our discussion thread for the series Ryan will be doing on Building a custom rifle. In Series 1, Ryan covers needed components for a custom build. Start a discussion here to help Ryan know what you need covered in further episodes, or discuss the current episodes.

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which shooting bag is that on the rear?
 

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Probably the best rear bag available today...

 

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Ryan great info.
for a newbie that has never attempted a build
can you please respond with the specific parts for the attached video build.
searching different websites can be very confusing for someone new.
Thank You
I updated the OP. Sorry, I should have done that from the start.
 

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I think it’s a great option. I’m also loving the prefits for actions like the Defiance Ruckus and Terminus actions.


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Does the action have to be the same caliber as the barrel?
 

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Does the action have to be the same caliber as the barrel?
No. Actions come in short, medium and long and some specific for the 338 Lapua cartridges. You need to choose the action good for a range of cartridges. This subject goes a bit deeper but that's a quick shot.
 

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Does the action have to be the same caliber as the barrel?
No. Several options that are out there, one that you should give a hard look at is Hoplite Arms. 1 action to rule them all.

DT as well if you want a bullpup.

Most standard actions come in LA or SA. But hoplite change all of that

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No. Several options that are out there, one that you should give a hard look at is Hoplite Arms. 1 action to rule them all.

DT as well if you want a bullpup.

Most standard actions come in LA or SA. But hoplite change all of that

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Please enlighten us. They seem very new for anyone to be putting their stamp of approval on. Have you used them? How long? I will wait until they start winning in competitions like Borden, Bat, Kelbly, Defiance before I start trying to give them any accolades. The rifle systems don't seem like they are inline with what most of us are after. Obviously you can post in this thread but if you do have some hands on time with them it may be worth its own thread.
 

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Please enlighten us. They seem very new for anyone to be putting their stamp of approval on. Have you used them? How long? I will wait until they start winning in competitions like Borden, Bat, Kelbly, Defiance before I start trying to give them any accolades. The rifle systems don't seem like they are inline with what most of us are after. Obviously you can post in this thread but if you do have some hands on time with them it may be worth its own thread.

Thanks Ryan I appreciate the opportunity to post on this thread. Not surprised it's not known by some since it's not a sponsored vendor

Yes I would put it up above those actions. Have you seen the results from the PRE expo?.. as per the post I responded to, it was in regards to the SA and LA. Yes this will do both with just one bolt. You can read up all about it. There were some media days, photo shoots,, live events and the expo results will speak for themselves.. as for winning comps.. ask the Kelby guys how many bolt stops they sheared off... know about that issue?

And yes I'll accept your challenge with my claims. Will the Defiance, BAT, Borden withstand 131,000-150,000 psi plus pressure? Nope, not unless you want to end up like that guy in YouTube that had is single shot 50 blow up on him and almost kill himself.

Before you knock it, do more research... you can post on here all you want as well, again disagree is great but for a new product with limited release won't have "YOUR" standards met... maybe in a year from now you can go back and self correct, but your standards don't mean much. How many guys were winning comps with the old M70, Mauser and R700 actions, you lifted them out by "your" standards. Kidding aside.

Yep I'll post to give more guys more options that they don't know about. In fact guys call up Hoplite talk to them then judge them if they are full of it.

Thoughts on the Tungsten 3D printed Brass that had to be developed to even meet the pressure requirements?.. just curious

Also understand I don't come from a point to be a total A, just to inform others and yourself that there a other options I'd take a hard look at.

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Thanks Ryan I appreciate the opportunity to post on this thread. Not surprised it's not known by some since it's not a sponsored vendor

Yes I would put it up above those actions. Have you seen the results from the PRE expo?.. as per the post I responded to, it was in regards to the SA and LA. Yes this will do both with just one bolt. You can read up all about it. There were some media days, photo shoots,, live events and the expo results will speak for themselves.. as for winning comps.. ask the Kelby guys how many bolt stops they sheared off... know about that issue?

And yes I'll accept your challenge with my claims. Will the Defiance, BAT, Borden withstand 131,000-150,000 psi plus pressure? Nope, not unless you want to end up like that guy in YouTube that had is single shot 50 blow up on him and almost kill himself.

Before you knock it, do more research... you can post on here all you want as well, again disagree is great but for a new product with limited release won't have "YOUR" standards met... maybe in a year from now you can go back and self correct, but your standards don't mean much. How many guys were winning comps with the old M70, Mauser and R700 actions, you lifted them out by "your" standards. Kidding aside.

Yep I'll post to give more guys more options that they don't know about. In fact guys call up Hoplite talk to them then judge them if they are full of it.

Thoughts on the Tungsten 3D printed Brass that had to be developed to even meet the pressure requirements?.. just curious

Also understand I don't come from a point to be a total A, just to inform others and yourself that there a other options I'd take a hard look at.

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We are always looking for a better mouse trap but I don't see anything in either post telling us why they are so great. For the record most actions are proof tested to the pressures you list as a matter of fact SAAMI proof testing is very high. It does not mean they should be run that high. I do not need or want an action that can take a short and long action bolt. Savage did that for years. It does not make it better. I just want the right tool for the job. For the sponsored only jab I can guarantee I have tested more non sponsored equipment than sponsored equipment and still use a lot of it. From your posts it seems like you have experience with this company(not just talking to them) so please tell us why we would choose one.
 

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Just watched the stock video in the series. Liked it, and agree with most everything. I also think the McMillan grip is the best. I have a McMillan A3-5, AG Alpine Hunter adj, and KRG Bravo. Of the stocks at my disposal, I like the McMillan grip the best. The AG is very close to the McMillan. The KRG was my first adjustable stock/chassis. The grip on it is almost too vertical for my liking. I likey McMillan so much, I'm thinking of ordering the Game Warden 2.0 to replace the KRG.

Question, what are your thoughts on beaver tail fore-ends like the one on the Alterra stock you have in the video, or the Hunter A3 by McMillan?

Again good rundown of the important things to look for.
 

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Ryan whete does the mesa precision arms altitude that u bedded on the last video rank with these stocks?
 

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Ryan whete does the mesa precision arms altitude that u bedded on the last video rank with these stocks?
The fact that it’s a Monte Carlo puts it last in my opinion. The farther the center of the butt stock is from bore center line the more likely to have muzzle rise and it’s more difficult to get a good shoulder mount from prone.
 

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The fact that it’s a Monte Carlo puts it last in my opinion. The farther the center of the butt stock is from bore center line the more likely to have muzzle rise and it’s more difficult to get a good shoulder mount from prone.
What about the check rest for recoil and flat to drop for the Celt recoil? Also what about the drop on the bottom of the stock for the angle is it about right, and what’s your thoughts on the pistol grip on it too? I have two of these stocks and really like them, but kind of wonder sometimes about the Monte Carlo part of it. They are really light too.
 

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What about the check rest for recoil and flat to drop for the Celt recoil? Also what about the drop on the bottom of the stock for the angle is it about right, and what’s your thoughts on the pistol grip on it too? I have two of these stocks and really like them, but kind of wonder sometimes about the Monte Carlo part of it. They are really light too.
I do not like the rather large drop and the toe or heel. The drop at the comb is good but the issue with Monte Carlos is the drop at the heel. The grip is good. I still feel the stocks in my stock video are better.
 

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Ok I’ll keep that in mind next time I need a stock.
 

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Ultimately the best stock is the one you shoot best. The video series is to help those who can't go through thousands upon thousands of dollars in custom rifles or components to find what works the best.
 

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Great videos. Where can I get that rear bag?

They won't last long.
 

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Picked me up the mini today. I may be taking pics of it in So. Africa.
 

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Im not sure if i missed it or not, but a video going over the differences in the custom actions would be helpful. Not having custom action experience, its hard to know whats needed, whats worth it, etc. Push feed vs controlled? Does it matter? Ejection path on some i know throws the shells right at the scope turret. Some have borden bumps, others dont, some use otger methods to keep bolt alignment, its all a lot and kinda makes your head spin if youre not all that familiar with it. I also would love a carbon fiber barrel comparison, too, they are all priced around the same...are they the same?
 

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Im not sure if i missed it or not, but a video going over the differences in the custom actions would be helpful. Not having custom action experience, its hard to know whats needed, whats worth it, etc. Push feed vs controlled? Does it matter? Ejection path on some i know throws the shells right at the scope turret. Some have borden bumps, others dont, some use otger methods to keep bolt alignment, its all a lot and kinda makes your head spin if youre not all that familiar with it. I also would love a carbon fiber barrel comparison, too, they are all priced around the same...are they the same?
It’s on the way.
 

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Any advantage to a carbon sendero over a sendero lite barrel? Proof research… Also I would like to see a video explaining in detail barrel throating. Love your content and videos. Getting close to building my first!
 

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I don’t think there’s enough difference in weight between the two to go with the lighter contour. We are also seeing very sporadic results with proof.
 

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I’ve watched the vids and Ryan’s reviews of various stocks. I’m in the middle of my 300 PRC build now, saving for the stock. Originally I was going with AG Alpine Hunter based on Ryan’s review. But in this series that stock isn’t even in his top 4. So I’m considering switching to a Gunwerks Magnus. Just curious if anyone can articulate what makes the Magnus has that is missing on the Alpine. The cost difference isn’t an issue so long as I’m getting my money’s worth. I appreciate any insight someone can give me. Thanks.
 

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Both are really nice stocks. The Magnus has a nice negative comb, very comfortable grip, and the integral pic rail for a bipod. The Alpine will be a little lighter, has a straight comb, and a comfortable grip. I really like both but, given the choice between the two, I’d take the Magnus. I like the negative comb and integral rail. I’ve shot both on a 300 PRC and the Magnus seemed to track a little better for me but, in defense of the Alpine, the rifle that wore the Magnus was over a pound heavier.
 

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Both are really nice stocks. The Magnus has a nice negative comb, very comfortable grip, and the integral pic rail for a bipod. The Alpine will be a little lighter, has a straight comb, and a comfortable grip. I really like both but, given the choice between the two, I’d take the Magnus. I like the negative comb and integral rail. I’ve shot both on a 300 PRC and the Magnus seemed to track a little better for me but, in defense of the Alpine, the rifle that wore the Magnus was over a pound heavier.
Thanks. The negative comb is definitely a plus given I’m shooting at a 9.5-10lb rifle full up with optics.
 

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This is our discussion thread for the series Ryan will be doing on Building a custom rifle. In Series 1, Ryan covers needed components for a custom build. Start a discussion here to help Ryan know what you need covered in further episodes, or discuss the current episodes.

To watch Episode 1, GO HERE

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To Watch Episode 2 GO HERE

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To watch episode 3 click here.

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Parts used for the rifle in the opening and the cover picture:
I used Gunwerks bottom metal. If you want it for their stocks just let them know.

For the rifle I actually demonstrated assembling:
The stock I used was cancelled and not available any longer. The closest thing to it is
I planned to use Hawkins Hunter DBM with a magnus. But now I found out the bedding block interferes with the DBM. I thought I saw a fix on here, but haven’t been able to locate it a second time. Any help is appreciated.

But my second option is to just buy the gunwerks BDL. How smooth is the feeding from the stagger feed mag? Will It be noticeable from a center feed? Nitpicking I know. But I appreciate the info.
 

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Dam, I was wondering what you were doing in So. Africa. A couple animals and many many hours editing video. You’re a machine.
 

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I watched part 4 today about actions. Ryan mentioned that he's had scope bases and pic rails come loose a few times. I have once myself with a pic rail. I was thinking about oversizing the mounting screws to get a better mount between the rail and action on a rem 700 I have. I realize I'd need to drill and tap that action too. I did the JB Weld thing on two rifles, but I'm thinking an oversized screw might be even better. Anyone ever try this? Thanks
 

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I watched part 4 today about actions. Ryan mentioned that he's had scope bases and pic rails come loose a few times. I have once myself with a pic rail. I was thinking about oversizing the mounting screws to get a better mount between the rail and action on a rem 700 I have. I realize I'd need to drill and tap that action too. I did the JB Weld thing on two rifles, but I'm thinking an oversized screw might be even better. Anyone ever try this? Thanks
The Terminus Kratos and Apollo action rail screws use a bit of an oversized countersunk flat head which I think provides more surface area in which to grab and hold but I still JB Weld them to the action just to be sure.
 

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Even my Terminus action had the base come lose and yes it has much larger screws. The screws simply keep the rail tight to the action. The sheer force of the rail to action interface should theoretically be what keeps the rail from moving. If you are building a rifle I would stick with integral rails.
 

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Need some knowledge here…. I know this is about long range hunting but 90% of my hunting shots come in under 125 yards. I try stretching it out on the range to 400-500 yards when I can. Saying that, I’m looking to do my first build and based on what I’ve read on here, I’d like to have an integral rail verses a pinned & screwed.
My question is.. am I going to have a problem sighting in to a 100 yard zero with a 20 MOA rail? Or should I just opt to buy a non integral rail and jb weld it?
 

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Need some knowledge here…. I know this is about long range hunting but 90% of my hunting shots come in under 125 yards. I try stretching it out on the range to 400-500 yards when I can. Saying that, I’m looking to do my first build and based on what I’ve read on here, I’d like to have an integral rail verses a pinned & screwed.
My question is.. am I going to have a problem sighting in to a 100 yard zero with a 20 MOA rail? Or should I just opt to buy a non integral rail and jb weld it?
The 20 minute rail will be no problem at 100.
 

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Need some knowledge here…. I know this is about long range hunting but 90% of my hunting shots come in under 125 yards. I try stretching it out on the range to 400-500 yards when I can. Saying that, I’m looking to do my first build and based on what I’ve read on here, I’d like to have an integral rail verses a pinned & screwed.
My question is.. am I going to have a problem sighting in to a 100 yard zero with a 20 MOA rail? Or should I just opt to buy a non integral rail and jb weld it?
The quick answer is no you won't have any problem. One must consider the purpose of 20moa bases which is to keep the scopes elevation travel in the middle of it's range of travel. If you really only plan to shoot no further than 400 to 500 yds then a 20moa really isn't needed IMO as I've done that for over 20 years with my Leupold VXIII 4.5x14 's. However if you intend to go further than that it is definitely something you may consider. A scope with 30mm tube and magnification of at least 3x18 or higher would be a great option. Either way the integral rail would be the best option, however a properly bedded rail is hard to beat. Just follow Broz's video and you'll be just fine
 
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Need some knowledge here…. I know this is about long range hunting but 90% of my hunting shots come in under 125 yards. I try stretching it out on the range to 400-500 yards when I can. Saying that, I’m looking to do my first build and based on what I’ve read on here, I’d like to have an integral rail verses a pinned & screwed.
My question is.. am I going to have a problem sighting in to a 100 yard zero with a 20 MOA rail? Or should I just opt to buy a non integral rail and jb weld it?
Don't want to sway you from a custom if that's what you really want to do. But if you want an accurate rifle, to and further than the ranges you mentioned, I would look at a good factory offering. Christensen Arms makes a couple of great models that have integral rails. Such as the ELR or the BA tactical. If I was to do it all over again I would pick one of these models just for the integral rail.

This could save you a lot of money and possibly time and more, for shooting and reloading components. If of course this would fit you better.

 

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