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I've never gone custom but have been thinking about it more and more and the timing of these videos is helpful. I have a spare Manners EH1 long action sitting staring at me. The Defiance Anti X is a great looking action. I wonder if I should do another 300 PRC+P but full custom. Could I get a barreled action with a 26" carbon wrapped barrel in an Anti X for a BDL done? I'd take it from there. Who comes to mind for something like this? Defensive Edge?
Once you do, you might find it hard to go back to buying factory rifles. I did anyways. You start looking at every little detail of factory rifles, ultimately finding something you don't like and just can't live with. Whether it's barrel length, twist, stock, color, etc. The prefit options are definitely making customs easier too, but obviously you'd have to go a different route with the +p. For some super reasonably priced prefits, check out Preferred Barrel Blanks. Tons and tons of options and chamberings. Great barrel's and Bryce was great to work with.

 

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But I would recommend ditching the 300 PRC. The Nosler is a better case. If you want simple just buy your components and get a Ruckus/AnTi prefit. The Terminus is another awesome action with prefits available.
Simple is good. I'm not sold on another 300 PRC+P. I need to think about what I want and inspires me. A custom surely is.
 

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Once you do, you might find it hard to go back to buying factory rifles. I did anyways. You start looking at every little detail of factory rifles, ultimately finding something you don't like and just can't live with. Whether it's barrel length, twist, stock, color, etc. The prefit options are definitely making customs easier too, but obviously you'd have to go a different route with the +p. For some super reasonably priced prefits, check out Preferred Barrel Blanks. Tons and tons of options and chamberings. Great barrel's and Bryce was great to work with.
I'll look into this. You're right. I think I'll set a goal to get a custom done or going this year. Thanks.
 

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I'll look into this. You're right. I think I'll set a goal to get a custom done or going this year. Thanks.
Barrels and stocks are the longest turnarounds right now. 4-6 month's on most. Already having the EH1 wil definitely put you ahead. There are wait times on even the little stuff right now. Bottom metal, triggers, etc.
 

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Barrels and stocks are the longest turnarounds right now. 4-6 month's on most. Already having the EH1 wil definitely put you ahead. There are wait times on even the little stuff right now. Bottom metal, triggers, etc.
I designed a school going up in the area near Preferred Barrel Blanks. I wonder if they are part of Match Grade Machine? I heard they moved out there. Anyway. Thanks for the information. I appreciate it. I'll see if I can nail down and order an action and barrel by the end of January. The Manners EH1 would be a great platform for a custom.
 

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I designed a school going up in the area near Preferred Barrel Blanks. I wonder if they are part of Match Grade Machine? I heard they moved out there. Anyway. Thanks for the information. I appreciate it. I'll see if I can nail down and order an action and barrel by the end of January. The Manners EH1 would be a great platform for a custom.
According to Match Grade Machine's website they are sister companies. https://matchgrademachine.com
 

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Enjoyed the latest video - great content Ryan! You answered alot of the questions I had regarding the prefit barrels/action installation. Like Ladd said, you definitely make it look easy with that set up. As someone else mentioned, I'd love to see a video on stock bedding. Alot of videos out there from non-credible sources and very few from credible sources. I think alot of LRO folks would enjoy a video on that. Just my .02 cents
 

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The Terminus Kratos Lite looks like a nice action and comparable to the Defiance AnTi X. Why would one choose the 1.100 x 16 TPI receiver thread over the 1.0625" x 6 TPI?
 

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The Terminus Kratos Lite looks like a nice action and comparable to the Defiance AnTi X. Why would one choose the 1.100 x 16 TPI receiver thread over the 1.0625" x 6 TPI?
The larger tenon allows more metal in the chamber area of the barrel for larger cartridges like the 338 Lapua.
 

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The larger tenon allows more metal in the chamber area of the barrel for larger cartridges like the 338 Lapua.

Thanks. I had a hunch about Lapua.


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I built a rifle with a Terminus action and after many frustrating rounds decided to put another barrel on it. Joel called his pre-fit barrel guy, Southern Precision, late Thursday afternoon, and the following Tuesday morning i , well Joel, screwed a pre-fit on and all i can say is, it's the best shooting gun I've ever owned. Ryan called Joel while i was there doing the switch. There is no doubt that, in my mind, pre-fits, the good ones, are every bit as accurate as a full chamber job from a good gunsmith. I also know you can get a barreled action from Joel in a much shorter time frame.
 

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What do you think about the Defiance anTi action without the integral rail?
 

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What do you think about the Defiance anTi action without the integral rail?

Not worth it to me when they offer an integral rail.


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Not worth it to me when they offer an integral rail.


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That’s what I was thinking. I’d rather have a custom action with an integral rail if I was honest.


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Can you pick 0, 20, 40 moa on it when you order the action?


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Can you pick 0, 20, 40 moa on it when you order the action?


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It depends on the manufacturer/model. For example, the Defiance anTi X is a 0 or 20. The Terminus Kratos is a 20 or a 40.


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It depends on the manufacturer/model. For example, the Defiance anTi X is a 0 or 20. The Terminus Kratos is a 20 or a 40.


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That is nice! One less part that can move!


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That is nice! One less part that can move!


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That’s what I was thinking.


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Do you have to do a RUM long action for the 30 Nosler and 300 PRC?
 

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Do they have actions dedicated for longer rounds like the RUM? I always thought it was long or short action.


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I am not sure I understand the last 2 posts. You really need more than a 3.850 wyatt box for a Rum to reach its full potential. Only a few actions are really capable out of the box, one being the Kratos x. Anything 3.850" or less is hindering the RUMs. The 30 Nosler will be fine in a 3.850" wyatt box machined action which includes most 700 clones these days.
 

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I ask because OTM Tactical has this in a description for a Defiance Ruckus.

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Are Carbon6 barrels offered in a PreFit for a Ruckus Action?


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Reading through their website I cannot see they offer a prefit for a Defiance Ruckus.


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I couldn’t find anything either. I’ve heard good things of about them and was hoping to give one a shot.


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I couldn’t find anything either. I’ve heard good things of about them and was hoping to give one a shot.


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You might call Straight Jacket Armory. They offer Carbon6 barrels for the Teminus actions. They may be able to for Defiance. Defiance isn’t listed on their website but a quick call and you can find out.


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There are multiple feed lips for actions. The RUM family of cartridges will not feed from a regular magnum action without opening the lips.
 

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I really do like the idea of buying the components and spinning the barrel on at home. I’ve been wanting to build a new rifle for some time, this may be the ticket for me. I know Proof barrels have been hit or miss on this forum, and I think I would like to build with a carbon barrel. I have to other builds with defiance deviant actions which I have nothing bad to say about either. Should I consider picking a different action?


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I really do like the idea of buying the components and spinning the barrel on at home. I’ve been wanting to build a new rifle for some time, this may be the ticket for me. I know Proof barrels have been hit or miss on this forum, and I think I would like to build with a carbon barrel. I have to other builds with defiance deviant actions which I have nothing bad to say about either. Should I consider picking a different action?


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Nothing wrong with Defiance if that is what you prefer.
 

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Agreed, but if I can’t find a decent carbon barrel prefit for it then it defeats the purpose and I’m headed back to the smith.


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Agreed, but if I can’t find a decent carbon barrel prefit for it then it defeats the purpose and I’m headed back to the smith.


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It does look like Straight Jacket Armory offers the Carbon6 in two contours for the Defiance Ruckus.
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Hell ya Ladd!

I would love to get me one of those Terminus actions!


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I'd sure love a video that shows how to do the pillar bedding and glass work in something like a Manners EH5A. I want to build a custom rifle and am a very DIY type of guy, but I'm not sure how to get those pillars done right. I'm also a bit nervous about doing the glass bedding on a stock that has molded in color. It's not something you can just touch up the paint on when done.
 

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I have a question about the Wyatt's internal mag boxes. When do you go with a CFE or MBE?
 

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I have a question about the Wyatt's internal mag boxes. When do you go with a CFE or MBE?
I don’t like center feeds unless you NEED one. I much prefer the staggerfeed so I would use the MBE.
 

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I made a few orders today for my first custom. Three small items to go then the wait begins for stuff to roll in...the worst part of this build.
 

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I made a few orders today for my first custom. Three small items to go then the wait begins for stuff to roll in...the worst part of this build.
You are in trouble now. It is a sickness!
 

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Those actions are heavy and if I am not mistaken short action only. I do not see myself personally ever building a short action hunting rifle. I just don't understand short actions outside of benchrest and varmint rifles. The second reason is there is no longer an advantage. With manufacturers getting their machining down to the point where .001 headspace can be guaranteed and the threads are even clocked, it is just as easy to clamp the barrel in a vise and spin it off. Third a good gunsmith can keep specs on your rifles action if it is not a guaranteed headspaced action and spin more barrels up later.

Good prefits cost the same as a barrel installed by a smith that is not gouging you. The only real advantage is typically less wait for the barrel and no time without your action/rifle.

i understand your point on never building a short action hunting rifle, but I’m curious on your thoughts on the mediums like defiance offers and lone peak or is it just worth going to long action for more stock options, bottom metal options, and future caliber changes?
 

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i understand your point on never building a short action hunting rifle, but I’m curious on your thoughts on the mediums like defiance offers and lone peak or is it just worth going to long action for more stock options, bottom metal options, and future caliber changes?
I love the "idea" of medium actions. I personally think I will steer clear until there are more stocks inletted for them. I would be more apt to use one if the cartridges that need them did not feed great from long actions.
 

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LOL! Yes it does.

You guys are funny. You’re completely right. There’s no cure for this. But I could be doing something way worse.


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I love the "idea" of medium actions. I personally think I will steer clear until there are more stocks inletted for them. I would be more apt to use one if the cartridges that need them did not feed great from long actions.

okay that’s what I thought. I feel like it’s the best of both worlds and really draws me in, but for the lack ofstocks, bottom metals and such I believe I’ll be going long action. Plus if I ever change caliber I’m golden either way.

you haven’t had any problem with “short/medium” length cartridges in long actions. Specially saum/wsm calibers. It’s what I’m looking at building for my hunting set up
 

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okay that’s what I thought. I feel like it’s the best of both worlds and really draws me in, but for the lack ofstocks, bottom metals and such I believe I’ll be going long action. Plus if I ever change caliber I’m golden either way.

you haven’t had any problem with “short/medium” length cartridges in long actions. Specially saum/wsm calibers. It’s what I’m looking at building for my hunting set up
I have had no more difficulty getting the feeding I desire that I do with a "long" action cartridge. Sometimes the spring or feed lips need a little tweaking. You always have to make sure there is enough heel pressure.
 

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I have had no more difficulty getting the feeding I desire that I do with a "long" action cartridge. Sometimes the spring or feed lips need a little tweaking. You always have to make sure there is enough heel pressure.

perfect! That pretty much makes me feel 10x better.I have 2-3 calibers ive been wanting to try but they all technically require a medium/long action when labeled short and was worried about feeding hence the reason I haven’t done them. Well my 2021 project will continue moving forward with a long action then
 

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You guys are funny. You’re completely right. There’s no cure for this. But I could be doing something way worse.


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Exactly! Like nursing a can and a half a day copenhagen habit, or anything with harley or ktm in the name... Got any spare change? I'm asking for uhhh, a friend...
 

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I want to pull the trigger on a defiance anti X in XM bad. 6.5 SAUM for heavies.
Good brass and no clickers


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I want to pull the trigger on a defiance anti X in XM bad. 6.5 SAUM for heavies.
Good brass and no clickers


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what is the clickers your talking about? I vaguely over heard about it the other day at the range? Prc sizing die not sizing properly or something?
 

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what is the clickers your talking about? I vaguely over heard about it the other day at the range? Prc sizing die not sizing properly or something?


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