Alternative for 215 Berger

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Hunting season is upon us. I for the life I me can not locate any 215's. I have checked several forums and the only ones I can find are for sale on GunBroker $200/100. Does any buddy have a preference for a temporary fix? Just need something to get me by until backorder is filled. Are 210 VLD similar. I prefer not to have to do a "full" load development to get something to shoot decent.

 

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The 210 VLD H will likely require a seating depth change, and maybe 1/2 to 1 grain more charge weight. Thats right, more. Because the 210 has a longer bearing surface. But the bottom line is the 210 is a great bullet as well and actually holds together a little better up close with higher impact velocities.
 

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I can use the exact same load for the 210s as the 215 in a 300wm only changing the seating depth. The 100 yard zero is even the same poi, but the 210 is about 25fps SLOWER than the 215. I just make sure I have both ballistic profiles in my app and rangefinder.
 

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I can use the exact same load for the 210s as the 215 in a 300wm only changing the seating depth. The 100 yard zero is even the same poi, but the 210 is about 25fps SLOWER than the 215. I just make sure I have both ballistic profiles in my app and rangefinder.
Yep mine was about 35 fps slower with the 210 and why I stated 1/2 to 1 gr increase in charge weight.
 

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Yep mine was about 35 fps slower with the 210 and why I stated 1/2 to 1 gr increase in charge weight.
Just out of curiosity do your 215s like being .035ish OL while the 210s at or .005 OL
 

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Just out of curiosity do your 215s like being .035ish OL while the 210s at or .005 OL
I find each barrel is different. Actually I think I ran the 210's at -.040" off and my current load has the 215's at -.005" off. But they are all different it seems
 

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I find each barrel is different. Actually I think I ran the 210's at -.040" off and my current load has the 215's at -.005" off. But they are all different it seems
Do you have any experience with the 210 Target VLD, particularly on game?
 

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Midway has the 208 hybrid in stock right now, that would make a good substitute
According to Berger they are a split between the 200.20x and the 215. They have the same G7 BC as the 215, but a shorter bearing surface so they are able to be pushed faster. I would assume the performance on game would be similar, aside from the 215 having more fragments to give more oil leaks.

The one thing I’m not sure of is the MRT (Meplat Reduction Technology). The bullet is a hollow point, so again I’m not 100 percent sure but I think this makes the bullet more of a pointed bullet than a true hollow point. If this is the case, I think some folks have experimented with opening the tips up with a small bit to ensure it opens up on game.

This could be a viable substitute for the OP. Maybe @Broz has experience or thoughts?
 
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I really can not add much about the 208's. But they sound good. I am always very careful about modifying the tip opening on hollow points. In mt experience just a little does a lot and they can get very explosive if you go too big.

I will also refer back to my last post #9 in this thread.

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I really can not add much about the 208's. But they sound good. I am always very careful about modifying the tip opening on hollow points. In mt experience just a little does a lot and they can get very explosive if you go too big.

I will also refer back to my last post #9 in this thread.

Jeff

Broz, don’t want to derail thread. But how DEEP do you drill when drilling bullets? I’ve got the size drill I need. Just a little unsure about how deep to go.
 

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Broz, don’t want to derail thread. But how DEEP do you drill when drilling bullets? I’ve got the size drill I need. Just a little unsure about how deep to go.
Until you hit the soft lead. The depth will vary in different bullets. A 215 is about .400" and 7mm 195 is about .300"
 

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Until you hit the soft lead. The depth will vary in different bullets. A 215 is about .400" and 7mm 195 is about .300"

Mine are the 144’s. Will you know for sure you hit the soft lead by feel? Or are you paying attention to the chips?
 

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The 208's at Midway are out of stock as well now. The only thing I can find is 210 VLD "Target". Broz are they that much different than the "hunting"? Looking at ballistics calculator, It looks like I will be able to hold 1800fps with the VLD to 8 or 900.
 

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I will just say this. If I were wanting 215's, I would be looking hard now for a while.
Yep, I have been looking for months and months. I am on every notification list and even have some back ordered. Berger said they were running them most of Sept. But when will they actually make it through the distribution and dealer network?
 

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I would get the 210’s even if you only get 100 to get you by. The target have a thicker jacket and I see no reason they won’t perform on game.


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I've used the 210's in a .300 RUM. Devastating on both elk and deer. Did have one pencil on a small whitetail at 30 yards but the 3 other deer and 2 elk that I shot, closest was elk at 240 yards, never took another step.
 

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How about the 230's curious for hunting since the 215's are poop to find these days. They are almost identical ballistically... just curious on game. I use the 215's mostly.

Just curious if anyone has had any experience? They seem less sensitive to seating depth as the VLD's

my wife thinks I only have 3 guns
 

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I've used the 210's in a .300 RUM. Devastating on both elk and deer. Did have one pencil on a small whitetail at 30 yards but the 3 other deer and 2 elk that I shot, closest was elk at 240 yards, never took another step.
Were those 210's the target version?
 

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How about the 230's curious for hunting since the 215's are poop to find these days. They are almost identical ballistically... just curious on game. I use the 215's mostly.

Just curious if anyone has had any experience? They seem less sensitive to seating depth as the VLD's

my wife thinks I only have 3 guns

I dont think 230’s would work as well for me. I am running 26” 300 WinMag at 1300’ egl. I think they would be pretty slow. Also 230 Hybrid is about as hard to find as 215’s


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I dont think 230’s would work as well for me. I am running 26” 300 WinMag at 1300’ egl. I think they would be pretty slow. Also 230 Hybrid is about as hard to find as 215’s


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There have been some 230's show up on the shelves. Count on 2750 to 2800 with H-1000 and a 230 in a win mag. They hammer elk. But again, a heads up to be watching for 215's to appear any day.
 

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Have a friend that was shooting 205's in 300wm wasn't able to get anymore. He switched to 230's because that's what was available. I was skeptical about the speed but he's getting 2830 out of a 24 inch proof carbon barrel. They're very accurate and they hit steel unbelievably hard.
 

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I have a buddy who just finishing a 300 PRC build. We were gonna throw 215’s through it with H1000 because i have had such good luck with them in my custom WinMag. @Broz or anyone else. Would you recommend him to go 230’s With H1000?


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Wouldn’t it be great if LRO became a Berger dealer and offered the bullets in the LRO store?
Not only that, but since Broz has done as much or more than anyone else to get the Berger name out there as a hunting bullet I think the LRO store should get priority for inventory 😀
 

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Thnx, I did have a member offer to sell me 100 box for a very fair price. I really appreciated it. I am glad this forum has that group mentality. Also talked to Berger. They have been running the 215 all month and are continuing to do so. They said it will be a few weeks for them to make it from production into the distribution network, so if you have backorders, they should start filling. BINGO
 

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I have measured up the 200 20x, 215, and 230, hybrids. They are the same bullets with different bearing surface. I Have had really good luck with 230s and the 200 20x is also very accurate. I would expect similar performance from all 3 but I am not sure the other 2 will be easier to find. Good luck, Im getting tired of it myself. The fact is that most of the components are ending up in someone's closet. People are buying more and shooting less. It will get back to normal but its still annoying.

Keep in mind a different bullet is a different bullet. Even the same bullet of a different lot. Small changes in the ogive due to bullet die wear and replacement will change things. Assume you will have to do a rework on seating depth and powder charge. Its always best to buy enough of the same lot of bullets, powder, and primers to burn out your barrel if you can.
 

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There have been some 230's show up on the shelves. Count on 2750 to 2800 with H-1000 and a 230 in a win mag. They hammer elk. But again, a heads up to be watching for 215's to appear any day.
My eyes and keyboards have been ready and scouring the internet. I haven't seen them pop up yet. My stock is getting low so I'm in for a couple boxes.
 

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The Army's new MRAD system had a contract with Berger last year to supply the 215's for the 300 Norma Mag setup. I'm not sure if they renew that contract annually, but the first one was for 800k loaded rounds. I'm sure that plays a role in the timeline for reaching the consumer.
 

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The Army's new MRAD system had a contract with Berger last year to supply the 215's for the 300 Norma Mag setup. I'm not sure if they renew that contract annually, but the first one was for 800k loaded rounds. I'm sure that plays a role in the timeline for reaching the consumer.
I have seen quite a few places online that the Berger Factory Loaded ammo is in stock. Specifically the 300 Norma Mag with 215gr Hybrid. I would assume if they are selling the regular market, their contract has been filled.
 

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Bringing this back up to the top. Anyone find 215's yet?

I thought they would have started hitting the market by now!
 

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