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I wanted to start a thread for the 300 PRC with the 215 gr. Berger Hybrid. Not to prove anything but for a source of information. I'll be posting what I've done and note what I've seen in my Christensen Arms Ridgeline.

Here's a link to a similar thread for the 215 gr Berger Hybrid with N570 but the 300 win mag for comparison.

 
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I can't wait till the 245 hybrid comes out. Was told it had a .800 bc

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I can't wait till the 245 hybrid comes out. Was told it had a .800 bc

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I started this rifle with the 230 gr Hornady A-Tip and have a pretty good load for it at 0.010 OL, 3.829 COAL at 2943 fps ave. with a 5.1 SD.

My mag box is 3.720 and the 230 A-Tip seated to 0.110 OL, 3.730 COAL still didnt fit in the mag, and it didnt group well. The bigger problem I started to see was seating it that deep in the 300 PRC was compressing the N570 so I didnt go any further or try another powder.


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I started this rifle with the 230 gr Hornady A-Tip and have a pretty good load for it at 0.010 OL, 3.829 COAL at 2943 fps ave. with a 5.1 SD.

My mag box is 3.720 and the 230 A-Tip seated to 0.110 OL, 3.730 COAL still didnt fit in the mag, and it didnt group well. The bigger problem I started to see was seating it that deep in the 300 PRC was compressing the N570 so I didnt go any further or try another powder.


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I bought the christensen arms elr in 300 prc, not shot it yet. Just getting ammo bullets and trying find some rl 26 which is impossible. Buddy of mine just had southern percision build him one, he's using h1000 with hornady 212 pushing lil over 3000.

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Using N570 I worked up looking for signs of pressure starting at 78.0 @ 2846 fps and ending at 83.4 gr @ 3084 fps with faint ejector mark at 83.1 and slight mark at 83.4. No swipe or noticeable bolt lift. I stopped there which took my round count in this rifle to 87.
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Using N570 I worked up looking for signs of pressure starting at 78.0 @ 2846 fps and ending at 83.4 gr @ 3084 fps with faint ejector mark at 83.1 and slight mark at 83.4. No swipe or noticeable bolt lift. I stopped there which took my round count in this rifle to 87.

The MPR has a 26" barrel correct?
 

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The MPR has a 26" barrel correct?

Yes. The Christensen Arms MPR in 300 PRC has a 26 inch barrel.


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During max load testing at 0.005 OL I got 3018 fps at 81.9 gr. and 3026 fps at 82.5 gr. I started seating depth testing at 81.9 gr.

The loads at 0.025 OL went as expected averaging 3014 fps. Then on my last shot at 0.035 OL and the 94th shot the velocity jumped. From there to 0.065 OL the velocity went to 3035 fps. The best group at 81.9 gr was 0.99 MOA at 0.035 OL with single digit ES and SD.
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In my Ridgeline I settled on this..
81gr h1000
Fed 215 primer
5 thousands off.
I'm getting 2940fps and about 1/2 moa

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I backed off the charge to 81.3
gr. and shot more from 0.025 to 0.065 OL getting 3025 fps ave with the best group a bit better at 0.81 MOA. The rest of the groups were outside 1.5 MOA like they were for 81.9 gr. The rifle just wasnt shooting the 215 gr Bergers very well. I didnt have this much trouble with the 230 gr A-Tip.

I had thoughts that the barrel sped up so I searched LRO for info on this and carbon rings.

I scrubbed the barrel between the 81.9 and 81.3 loads with CR10, Boretech Eliminator and Boretech C4 and I scrubbed it again after. 117 shots fired to date.



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In my Ridgeline I settled on this..
81gr h1000
Fed 215 primer
5 thousands off.
I'm getting 2940fps and about 1/2 moa

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I thought about using H1000 but reserved it for my 300 win mag. I think your velocity is about where it should be. My rifle including.


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N570 can definitely build carbon quick! I’ll do a carbon clean on my 300nmi every 20-30rds otherwise things can get funky.
 

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N570 can definitely build carbon quick! Ill do a carbon clean...

I didnt notice an increase in fouling over other powders Ive used in other rifles. I clean my rifles after every use almost though. Thats how I was raised good or bad.

I review my setup and equipment when one of my rifles isnt shooting 0.5 MOA to see if its something there.
 
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In my CA MPR, 300NM I tried N570 and H1000 with 215 bergers. N570 was about 100-120fps faster at the same pressure and produced the best groups at max charge but the es wasnt the best and groups were .75 to 1 moa. H1000 in this rifle was .5 moa and good es numbers.
The speed from n570 is nice if it shoots but in my rifle, with that bullet it was a no go. If you can round up more H1000 I would try it. Your barrel will thank you.
 

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In my CA MPR, 300NM I tried N570 and H1000 with 215 bergers. N570 was about 100-120fps faster at the same pressure and produced the best groups at max charge but the es wasnt the best and groups were .75 to 1 moa. H1000 in this rifle was .5 moa and good es numbers.
The speed from n570 is nice if it shoots but in my rifle, with that bullet it was a no go. If you can round up more H1000 I would try it. Your barrel will thank you.

I have 20+ lbs of H1000. Im using N570 in the 300 PRC for no other reason than to keep the H1000 for my 300 win mag. Its a proven powder in the 300 win mag with the 215 gr Berger. So its reserved for it.


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I determined my next step should be to a lower charge. I thought about going higher but I felt my barrel just sped up and I didnt think I would hit the next higher node without being too close to max.

I went to 80.3 gr. I thought that would put me in the low 3000s or high 2900s. Thats where the 230 gr Atip fit best in my rifle. I loaded up 80.3 at 0.035 OL and 80.3 at 0.065 OL. My testing showed my rifle liked 0.035 OL and to mag feed I needed 0.065 OL.

When I shot the 80.3 gr at 0.035 OL I got this.
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When I shot the 80.3 gr at 0.065 OL I recorder another under 0.5 MOA group.
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I strapped on the Magnetospeed and recorded the numbers. 80.3 gr at 0.035 OL was 2981 fps with a 7.8 SD and 14 ES. 0.065 OL gave 2967 fps with 8 SD and 16 ES.

Compare this to what I got from Hornday ammo with the 212 gr ELDx. 2933 fps, 30 SD and 60 ES with the best at 1.04 MOA.

138 shots fired to date.


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to be clear, all your speeds are with the 215 Berger? i'm planning a build and am thinking this cartridge but might go nosler because ADG makes brass for it
 

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to be clear, all your speeds are with the 215 Berger? im planning a build and am thinking this cartridge but might go nosler because ADG makes brass for it

Yes. 215 gr Berger Hybrid, N570, Federal 215m and 1X Hornady brass. Ill switch to ADG brass when it comes out next year. Dont know if I will search for more speed but I may try the Berger 230 or 245 and consider the Wyatt box mod.



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so ADG will be making brass but won't be available till next year? hummm, could be a 300 Nosler! lol
on a serious note, it seems 570 can be hard on barrels, planning on using H1000
 

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so ADG will be making brass but won't be available till next year? hummm, could be a 300 Nosler! lol
on a serious note, it seems 570 can be hard on barrels, planning on using H1000

The ADG Facebook page says early 2020. Most likely sometime after SHOT show I would guess.

I didnt see signs of pressure until the high 3000s even with Hornady brass and Im not running my barrel near top speed. But I will be interested to see how it goes with N570. Thats all I will use in this rifle.


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Do you have a 300 win mag also that you shoot 215's from? Just wondering what the performance gains are you are seeing with the newer case design of the PRC?

I think this will be a great combo with the 215's. Those velocities are right where that bullet likes to work.

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Do you have a 300 win mag also that you shoot 215's from? Just wondering what the performance gains are you are seeing with the newer case design of the PRC?

I think this will be a great combo with the 215's. Those velocities are right where that bullet likes to work.

Jeff


I do have the 300 win mag in the same rifle, the Christensen Arms Ridgeline. I haven't been as eager to load for it since the Berger Factory Ammo with the 215 gr Hybrid has done so well. It has 44 rounds through it to date.

Comparing my 300 win mag to my 300 PRC, factory ammo to reloads, both with the 215 gr. Berger I've recorded the following.

300 win mag
2866 fps ave
9 SD
17 ES
Best 3-shot group to date 0.46 MOA.

300 PRC at 0.065 OL (I plan to use the mag box)
2967 fps ave
8 SD
16 ES
Best 3-shot group to date 0.47 MOA.
 

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Thanks! Would be fun at some point to work up charge weights in the 300 win mag with same powder as the PRC for a true comparison.

It would be interesting. I could do that.
 

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What is the mag length in the CA rifles? Wife ordered me a Traverse for Xmas.


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What is the mag length in the CA rifles? Wife ordered me a Traverse for Xmas.


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My Christensen Arms Ridgeline 300 PRC mag box measures 3.720. My 300 win mag measures 3.710. 7mm measures 3.730. Some variation in each as well as my measurement points but you get the idea.


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Thanks! Would be fun at some point to work up charge weights in the 300 win mag with same powder as the PRC for a true comparison.

One noticeable difference right off the bat between my 300 PRC Christensen Arms Ridgeline and my 300 win mag CA Ridgeline while loading last night, at 0.005 OL the 300 win mag loads with the 215 Berger appears to already fit in the mag box at 3.664 COAL. For comparison, to fit the 215 Berger in my 300 PRC mag box I have them seated to 0.065 OL. I loaded 20 rounds from 75.6 gr N570 to 81.3 to find pressure signs in my 300 win to see how it compares to my 300 PRC. To be consistent I loaded them with virgin Hornady brass although I have ADG and Gunwerks brass for my 300 win. The higher loads of N570 filled up the brass to at or about the base of the neck as it settled for a slightly compressed load. At 0.005 OL the 215 Berger appeared to be seated in the brass very nicely with the start of the angle to the boat tail near the base of the neck.
 

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I put myself on the wishlist for the first production run of 300 PRC ADG brass yesterday, due out next month. Im sure it will sell quick.

I have good accurate loads with Hornady brass. I wonder if ADG brass would allow me to get to the next accurate load without pressure signs on the brass or if I even need to. Regardless, the ADG brass will take more reloads.


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I put myself on the wishlist for the first production run of 300 PRC ADG brass yesterday, due out next month. Im sure it will sell quick.

thanks for the heads up, got on the wishlist also.

Youre welcome. Cant wait to have ADG brass for the 300 PRC.


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Anyone using this bullet for hunting?


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Anyone using this bullet for hunting?


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Yes Sir, I initially testes the 215 Berger on big game when it came out way back. We shot 20 big game animals with it the first season. Since then we have taken propably 100 elk with it from 80 yards to 1200. Many many long range hunters have used it for years with great success. It is the killingest bullet I have ever hunted with.

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Yes Sir, I initially testes the 215 Berger on big game when it came out way back. We shot 20 big game animals with it the first season. Since then we have taken propably 100 elk with it from 80 yards to 1200. Many many long range hunters have used it for years with great success. It is the killingest bullet I have ever hunted with.

Jeff

Great news!

Wife got me a new Christensen for Christmas in 300 PRC-trying to decide between A Traverse, an ELR, and a BA Tactical.


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In my CA MPR, 300NM I tried N570 and H1000 with 215 bergers. N570 was about 100-120fps faster at the same pressure and produced the best groups at max charge but the es wasnt the best and groups were .75 to 1 moa. H1000 in this rifle was .5 moa and good es numbers.
The speed from n570 is nice if it shoots but in my rifle, with that bullet it was a no go. If you can round up more H1000 I would try it. Your barrel will thank you.
I pretty much have the same findings with the n570 in one of my 300 rums. And boy does it carbon up fast with n570.
 

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Here’s a pic of my 300 PRC load that’s seated at 0.065 OL next to the 215 gr Berger Hybrid.
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I've been looking at the data for the 300 win and 300 PRC 215 Berger with N570 testing I've been doing. I wonder if I backed off too far with the 300 PRC to start bullet seating depth testing. I backed off to 81.9 gr., then to 81.3 and finally to 80.3 gr before finding accuracy. Maybe I should have backed off to the load just before I saw the first pressure sign. What do you think? I’d rather chase accuracy than speed but I should do a bit more testing just to be sure. Here's the table and chart I've been staring at. These are posted in other thread as well.
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I've never used N570, is your velocity changing with different seating depths? Have been reading what I can find on 300 PRC. Seems like people have struggled with accuracy on some rifles and others have had good luck. Think I read were a couple of rifles with 9.5 twist barrels had good accuracy with Horandy and Berger bullets. Saami specs show 8.5 twist. like I said you know this powder better than me. Think I would load some 82.5 grain loads if you have room in the case and see how they shoot.
 

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I've never used N570, is your velocity changing with different seating depths? Have been reading what I can find on 300 PRC. Seems like people have struggled with accuracy on some rifles and others have had good luck. Think I read were a couple of rifles with 9.5 twist barrels had good accuracy with Horandy and Berger bullets. Saami specs show 8.5 twist. like I said you know this powder better than me. Think I would load some 82.5 grain loads if you have room in the case and see how they shoot.

The velocity does change a but but it doesn’t look significant.

The bearing surface of the 215 gr. Berger Hybrid dictates it to be seated away from the lands in the 300 PRC. There’s not much in there when it’s loaded close to the lands. I have a picture on this thread with it at 0.005. If not it’s on the link in the 1st post of this thread. 0.065 OL looks about right.

Here’s what I got during testing. See below. 81.9 gr. and 81.3 gr. didn’t result in a very accurate load. The 80.3 loads were both under 1/2 moa.

At 81.9 gr:
0.005 OL. 3018 fps
0.025 OL. 3014 fps ave.
0.035 OL. 3021 fps ave.
0.045 OL. 3023 fps ave.
0.055 OL. 3027 fps ave
0.065 OL. 3035 fps ave.

At 81.3 gr:
0.005 OL. 3000 fps
0.035 OL. 3025 fps ave.
0.045 OL. 3028 fps ave.
0.055 OL. 3024 fps ave.
0.065 OL. 3009 fps ave.

At 80.3 gr:
0.035 OL. 2982 fps ave.
0.065 OL. 2967 fps ave.



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In my Ridgeline I settled on this..
81gr h1000
Fed 215 primer
5 thousands off.
I'm getting 2940fps and about 1/2 moa

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What grain and brand of bullet ?

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Decided to load up more 300 PRC 215 gr. Bergers at 82.5-82.7 gr. N570 at 0.035 and 0.065 OL to see if there is a 1/2 moa group at a bit higher velocity.

The 1/2 moa group I have with this combo in this rifle is 80.3 gr N570. We’ll see if there’s another at a bit higher velocity.

The next rounds are loaded ready to go.
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I took the rounds in the picture above to test today and hopefully find an accurate load at the highest velocity possible. Here are the final results and I am going to stop testing the 215 gr Berger in my 300 PRC.

82.7 gr N570 at 0.035 OL had too much pressure. I stopped.

82.5 gr N570 at 0.035 OL still had too heavy of ejector marks but I shot a 3 shot group and got 0.58 moa. I stopped and didn’t measure velocity because I wouldn’t use this load. I don’t feel comfortable with the pressure signs I had at 0.035 OL.

I tried the 82.5 gr 0.065 OL loads and shot a worse group with the same pressure signs.

I would not use this load either. 82.5 gr N570 in Hornady brass has too heavy of ejector marks and I stopped testing and came home with loaded rounds I’ll be taking apart.

Here’s the 82.5 gr 0.035 OL group.
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To conclude my findings loading with the 215 gr. Berger with N570 in my 300 PRC I will say this.

I tried 80.3, 81.3, 81.9, 82.5, and 82.7 gr from 0.025 OL to 0.065 OL looking for the fastest, most accurate load for my Christensen Arms Ridgeline 300 PRC. I will be using 80.3 gr with the 215 seated to 0.065 OL. This gave me a 0.44 moa 3-shot group at 2967 fps ave velocity.

I don’t see my Ridgeline shooting the 215 any faster with accuracy. I’m stopping this test.

I believe the 300 PRC to be better suited for the longer heavier bullets. I have a great load with the 230 gr Atip at about the same velocity as I found for the 215 Berger. I’ll be taking that up against a 230 gr Atip load in my 300 win mag soon to see which caliber shoots that better. But for the 215, I have to say the 300 win mag, at least when comparing it in my two rifles, the 300 win mag rules. My 300 win mag shoots the 215 with an accurate faster load than my 300 PRC. No doubt.




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Cool stuff man thanks for your thorough testing,time & expense you’ve invested in getting these results. Looking forward to the 230 comparison!


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Cool stuff man thanks for your thorough testing,time & expense you’ve invested in getting these results. Looking forward to the 230 comparison!


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Thanks man. I appreciate that.


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